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Google Cloud. Kubernetes Steering Committee emeritus, K8s SIG Architecture co-Chair emeritus, CNCF TOC member emeritus

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    1. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      Compressible resources like CPU can be made available quickly by the kernel with low impact to the threads that were interrupted, provided it knows which threads urgently need the resources and which ones don't. We call this latency sensitive and latency tolerant respectively

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    2. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      Borg used an explicit attribute to indicate this, called appclass, which is described by the Borg paper: https://ai.google/research/pubs/pub43438 …. This was translated to scheduling latency in LMCTFY: https://github.com/google/lmctfy/blob/master/include/lmctfy.proto#L142 …. In Kubernetes, it's inferred from resource requests and limits

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    3. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      In order to reallocate incompressible resources quickly, threads need to be killed, which is obviously not low impact. (For memory, in Linux this is done by the OOM killer.) This was why Borg used priority (production priority vs not) to make memory oversubscription decisions

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    4. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      Borg's resource reclamation approach is described by the paper: reservations based on observed usage were computed and oversubscribed resources (latency-tolerant cpu and non-production memory) were tallied against reservations whereas guaranteed ones used limits. Complicated.

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    5. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      Vertical autoscaling (VA) added even more complexity. VA changed limits, but left its own padding to provide slack for reaction time and observation of demand. Ad hoc mechanisms were added to disable limit enforcement for each resource, creating a notion similar to request in K8s

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    6. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      In K8s, I wanted something simpler, to directly convey the desire for oversubscription and bursting flexibility. The discussion started way back in http://issues.k8s.io/147  and http://issues.k8s.io/168 . The model we settled on was determined by looking at limits and requests

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      Request==Limit implies guaranteed resources (not oversubscribed). Request<Limit implies burstable (oversubscribed). Zero request implies best effort. Borg scheduled best effort using reservation, but no throughput guarantees could be made in practice

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    8. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      This is described in the resource model design (https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/scheduling/resources.md …) and the QoS proposal (https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/node/resource-qos.md …), including the mapping to OOM scores. The mapping to cgroup cpu shares is described in the pod resource design (https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/node/pod-resource-management.md …).

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    9. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      Some work on Vertical Pod Autoscaling for Kubernetes has started: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/autoscaling/vertical-pod-autoscaler.md …. There have been proposals to implement oversubscription also (https://github.com/kubernetes/enhancements/issues/355 …). As for horizontal scaling, resource monitoring infrastructure is a prerequisite

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    10. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      If managing cluster-level sharing using ResourceQuota and LimitRange, oversubscription can be done at that level also. The original designs were described by https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/resource-management/admission_control_limit_range.md … and https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/resource-management/admission_control_resource_quota.md …, with improvements in https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/resource-management/resource-quota-scoping.md …

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      Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 22 Jul 2019
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      Ok, this topic doesn't fit into a Twitter form factor very well. Maybe some day I'll get around to writing this up more in long form. For now, that's about all I have time for, but questions are welcome

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        1. Steinn E. Sigurðarson‏ @steinnes 23 Jul 2019
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          Super informative thread, would love to read more from you on the subject! Many thanks 🙏🖖👌👍

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          Hey, the thread is ready and compiled. You can read the whole version here:https://threader.app/thread/1153341109692588032 …

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        2. apuchitnis‏ @apuchitnis Aug 4
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          Replying to @bgrant0607

          Thanks for this, great explanation! You mention that setting request<limit allows for oversubscription. Question: given some historical data of resource usage, how might you actually set these values to achieve a defined level of oversubscription?

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          This doesn't have a Tweet-sized answer. :-) VPA (https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/docs/concepts/verticalpodautoscaler …) is part of it, but the level of acceptable performance needs to be specified and measured. Quasar (https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2541940.2541941 …) was an interesting automated approach from a few years ago.

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