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Google Cloud. Kubernetes Steering Committee emeritus, K8s SIG Architecture co-Chair emeritus, CNCF TOC member emeritus

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    1. Colton J. McCurdy‏ @mccurdycolton 1 May 2019
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      Colton J. McCurdy Retweeted ✕✕✕✕✕

      Hey @peterbourgon and @dgryski, I'm curious to here both of your thoughts on "http://k8s.io/klog " i.e., would you recommend it? Seems to address the major issues with "golang/glog", while keeping the nice features e.g., per-"module" verbosity levels https://godoc.org/k8s.io/klog https://twitter.com/peterbourgon/status/972177627996831744 …

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      never use glog it is very bad and almost any alternative is better https://twitter.com/miekg/status/972166007346335744 …
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    2. ✕✕✕✕✕‏ @peterbourgon 2 May 2019
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      Replying to @mccurdycolton @dgryski

      As I understand it, klog is a Kubernetes-specific adapter for glog that removes its biggest wart, which is automatic registration of flags in the global flag set. It’s purpose-built for the specific engineering problems in the Kubernetes codebase...

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    3. ✕✕✕✕✕‏ @peterbourgon 2 May 2019
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      Replying to @peterbourgon @mccurdycolton @dgryski

      ...and not something that any other program should use. Other than that change it is exactly the glog API, but that API, especially it’s esoteric “V” nomenclature, makes little to no sense outside of the Google infrastructure.

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    4. James Munnelly‏ @JamesMunnelly 2 May 2019
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      Replying to @peterbourgon @mccurdycolton @dgryski

      http://github.com/go-logr/logr  is "structured logging but with log levels", yet provides no implementatation except for adapters for various loggers (eg klog, zap). It sits nicely as a replacement for (g|k)log - we in cert-manager switched a little while ago 😄 (cc @thockin)

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    5. Colton J. McCurdy‏ @mccurdycolton 2 May 2019
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      Replying to @JamesMunnelly @peterbourgon

      Thank you both for your feedback! I'm working on my first widely-applicable OS project (https://github.com/mccurdyc/neighbor …) and logging is important for differentiating between logs of an arbitrary binary that can be run against repos (e.g., `ls`) and those of neighbor itself

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    6. Colton J. McCurdy‏ @mccurdycolton 2 May 2019
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      Replying to @mccurdycolton @JamesMunnelly @peterbourgon

      INFO vs DEBUG for the clear separation seems appropriate, to make the separation of logs clearer versus V=1 (arbitrary binary logs) and V=N+1 (neighbor logs isn't super great).

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    7. Tim Hockin‏ @thockin 2 May 2019
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      Replying to @mccurdycolton @JamesMunnelly @peterbourgon

      Personally, I prefer V to named levels. I find that I want several grades of verbosity, whether for debug, tracing, dumping clang equivs or other. It gives me more control. Yes it is arbitrary, but so is WARN vs ERROR. Each their own, but life scratches my itch for now.

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      Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 2 May 2019
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      Replying to @thockin @mccurdycolton and

      In my experience, code authors aren't great at judging info vs warning vs error, especially in libraries used in multiple contexts, and log spam is always a challenge. With realtime monitoring, alerting severity thresholds are defined by the operator, not by the code author

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        2. Karl "K10g" Isenberg‏ @KarlKFI 2 May 2019
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          Replying to @bgrant0607 @thockin and

          As an operator I wish I could turn on and off log levels at runtime without restart. Or even historically. If it weren’t for some logs being costly to produce (slower) I would be tempted to log everything and filter outside the binary, before emitting to the aggregator.

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        3. Clayton Coleman‏ @smarterclayton 8 May 2019
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          Replying to @KarlKFI @bgrant0607 and

          There was discussion about having controller-runtime copy what cockroachdb does - allow you to connect to an endpoint and tee logs at a level until you disconnect. Would like that everywhere (auth protected)

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