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Google Cloud. Kubernetes Steering Committee emeritus, K8s SIG Architecture co-Chair emeritus, CNCF TOC member emeritus

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    1. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      Kubernetes Borg/Omega history topic 6: Watch. This is a deep topic. It's a follow-up to the controller topic. I realized that I forgot to link to the doc about Kubernetes controllers: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/devel/sig-api-machinery/controllers.md …

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    2. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      Borgmaster had 2 models: built-in logic used synchronous edge-triggered state machines, while external components were asynchronous and level-based. More on level vs. edge triggering:https://hackernoon.com/level-triggering-and-reconciliation-in-kubernetes-1f17fe30333d …

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    3. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      One of the first things I did when joining the Borgmaster team back in 2009 was to parallelize the handling of read requests. Something like 99% of requests were reads, primarily from polling external controllers and monitoring systems.

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    4. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      Only BNS (analogous to K8s Endpoints) was written to Chubby, which enabled replicated caching and update notification. That enabled it to scale to much larger numbers of readers (~every container in Borg) and reduced latency, which for polling could be tens of seconds

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    5. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      Watch-like notification APIs (aka sync and tail) were common for storage systems such as Chubby, Colossus, and Bigtable. In 2013, a generalized Watch API was designed so that each system wouldn't need to reinvent the wheel. A variant "Observe" added per-entity sequencing

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    6. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      We built Kubernetes upon Etcd due to its similarities to Chubby and to the Omega store. When we exposed Etcd's watch (https://coreos.com/etcd/docs/latest/learning/api.html …) through the K8s API, we let more Etcd details bleed through than originally intended. We need to clean up some of those details soon

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    7. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      The Kubernetes model is described here: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/architecture/resource-management.md#declarative-control …

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    8. Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      Some other systems use message buses for notifications. Why didn't we? Controllers need to start from the initial state, we also don't want them to fall behind or operate on state that's too stale, and they need to be able to handle "missed" events -- the level-based rationale

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    9. Brad Topol‏ @bradtopol 16 Apr 2019
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      What about the issue that message bus based systems would typically hit scaling issues with the message bus being the bottleneck? Were you all aware of problems associated with that approach and take that into your decision process as well?

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      All distribution methods have scaling challenges. A lot depends on required semantics of the data and update delivery: atomicity, serialization, consistency, freshness, etc. For instance, if you modify 7 entities of different types, will clients observe updates in the same order?

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      Brian Grant‏ @bgrant0607 16 Apr 2019
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      It was more the combination of performance and resilience. When modeling entities in realtime and acting as the source of truth for multiple independent controllers, low latency and high freshness are key, esp. in the presence of failures, which produce yet more changes

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