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Research Associate & PhD candidate at @FU_Berlin's Governance in Areas of Limited Statehood

Berlin, Germany
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    1. Patrick Iber‏Verified account @PatrickIber Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU

      Well, it seems like in general I don't get quite as upset about these things as you do, but as I said I thought something important was missing here, and I think we agree about what that is

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    2. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @PatrickIber

      By “these things” what do you mean?

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    3. Patrick Iber‏Verified account @PatrickIber Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU

      Ha ha, maybe "opinions on the internet"? "critiques of something that do one thing well but not all of the things"? Not trying to be insulting in any way, I respect the indignation and it always makes me think about whether I've missed something important

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    4. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @PatrickIber

      Didn't read it as an insult. Just didn't want to presume. Ultimately what most grates me re these debates is how they hold "the left" to an impossible standard of perfection, then revel in the failures, while giving a total pass to that which shall not be named (e.g. the right).

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    5. Bernardo Jurema 🌹‏ @bernajurema Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      I don't think that's a fair criticism. I specified the "institutional left", and cited and linked some examples and structured the text around one example. Asking for critical sense instead of uncritically adopting PT's self-serving narrative is not an impossible standard.

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    6. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @bernajurema @PatrickIber

      I’m sorry. I suppose when I read “here’s what the International left gets wrong” about Brazil, I read that as the international left, not “the institutional left.”

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    7. Bernardo Jurema 🌹‏ @bernajurema Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      That’s the headline. But if you go beyond it you’ll find that’s how it’s characterized

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    8. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @bernajurema @PatrickIber

      Like I mentioned on FB and also here, there’s no tension b/t what Greenwald wrote and being critical of the PT/Lula/Dilma. The whole thing is a right wing power grab masquerading as concern for “rule of law,” and it was facilitated by many PT errors. Both can be and are true.

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    9. Bernardo Jurema 🌹‏ @bernajurema Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      I don’t deny the power grab. I question the narrative that puts the PT as mere victim when it was an agent, by empowering these reactionary oligarchic sectors instead of confronting them. Lulismo failed. We have to grasp with that.

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    10. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @bernajurema @PatrickIber

      Yeah this whole part of your position is absolutely getting lost as your piece circulates, I’m afraid. It’s being read as a liberal critique, not a radical one.

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      Bernardo Jurema 🌹‏ @bernajurema Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      This is a criticism that I accept. That’s a mistake on my part. I come here from the left. Thanks a lot for engaging, Alejandro. This multi-modal debate was constructive. I appreciate that

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        1. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
          Replying to @bernajurema @PatrickIber

          Thank you. I look forward to reading more of your work.

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