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Research Associate & PhD candidate at @FU_Berlin's Governance in Areas of Limited Statehood

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    1. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      Left critiques of the PT/Lula/Dilma are absolutely necessary precisely on the grounds you suggest. This is decidedly not the way to do it. Especially couched in an appeal for nuance and complexity.

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    2. Patrick Iber‏Verified account @PatrickIber Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU

      Well, it seems like in general I don't get quite as upset about these things as you do, but as I said I thought something important was missing here, and I think we agree about what that is

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    3. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @PatrickIber

      By “these things” what do you mean?

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    4. Patrick Iber‏Verified account @PatrickIber Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU

      Ha ha, maybe "opinions on the internet"? "critiques of something that do one thing well but not all of the things"? Not trying to be insulting in any way, I respect the indignation and it always makes me think about whether I've missed something important

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    5. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @PatrickIber

      Didn't read it as an insult. Just didn't want to presume. Ultimately what most grates me re these debates is how they hold "the left" to an impossible standard of perfection, then revel in the failures, while giving a total pass to that which shall not be named (e.g. the right).

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    6. Bernardo Jurema 🌹‏ @bernajurema Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      I don't think that's a fair criticism. I specified the "institutional left", and cited and linked some examples and structured the text around one example. Asking for critical sense instead of uncritically adopting PT's self-serving narrative is not an impossible standard.

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    7. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @bernajurema @PatrickIber

      I’m sorry. I suppose when I read “here’s what the International left gets wrong” about Brazil, I read that as the international left, not “the institutional left.”

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    8. Bernardo Jurema 🌹‏ @bernajurema Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      That’s the headline. But if you go beyond it you’ll find that’s how it’s characterized

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    9. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @bernajurema @PatrickIber

      Like I mentioned on FB and also here, there’s no tension b/t what Greenwald wrote and being critical of the PT/Lula/Dilma. The whole thing is a right wing power grab masquerading as concern for “rule of law,” and it was facilitated by many PT errors. Both can be and are true.

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    10. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @bernajurema @PatrickIber

      But your piece casts it primarily as the product of PT’s cozying up to the right and to capital. So is it fair to say that ultimately, the major thing we get wrong about the PT is that it is/was not leftist enough b/c it didn’t directly take on capital and the right?

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      Bernardo Jurema 🌹‏ @bernajurema Apr 20
      Replying to @AleVelascoNYU @PatrickIber

      I totally agree with this criticism. perhaps because for me it is so obvious that the gains under PT are undeniable I left unsaid. But equally true is that the accommodation with the political and economic establishment, a core of Lulismo, ultimately undermined those very gains!

      4:15 PM - 20 Apr 2018 from Berlin, Germany
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        1. Alejandro Velasco‏ @AleVelascoNYU Apr 20
          Replying to @bernajurema @PatrickIber

          Right. Well, as I noted in FB, this crucial portion of your analysis is so buried and implied as to be largely lost. Besides there are plenty of left critiques of the PT.

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