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    𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016

    Would you rather: 1) Have your vulnerable systems taken offline w/o warning by whitehat (with note on how to patch) 2) Get crypto-ransom

    1:41 AM - 29 Nov 2016
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      2. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        I did not include the option "I have AV: I can put my vulnerable system online and not worry about it" for obvious reasons.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Phase‏ @Phase4_ 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        Isn't that just option 2?

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      4. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @Phase4_

        LOL. Odd that "white-hat hackers" are the good guys, but "white-collar criminals" are not.

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      2. mostly ben‏ @b_jammin_ 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        I voted for 1 but would be concerned about systems that perform critical functions (medical, utilities)- might not need data

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @bensmith83

        Would you rather have them hacked by a blackhat than a whitehat? If you don't chose, that choice will be made for you.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. mostly ben‏ @b_jammin_ 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        I get your point just don't think there's a one size fits all answer

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @bensmith83

        True, but you can't simply say "I don't want to play this game" as option 2 is happening whether you want it or not.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. mostly ben‏ @b_jammin_ 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        hah, true. So classic trolley problem - do you cause acceptable amount of damage to prevent more

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      7. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @bensmith83

        Exactly. I am wondering if the damage that is being done as we speak is sufficient to warrant experimenting with such options.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever @bensmith83

        i.e. would option 1 cause less damage to the target than option 2.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. mostly ben‏ @b_jammin_ 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        option 1: large damage in small amount of cases, option 2: unknown damage in unknown but growing cases

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      2. thunderbolt@chaos.social‏ @timmi31061 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        Both are inacceptable. Just a note on how to patch would be nice :)

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      3. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @timmi31061

        Have you considered the logistics of finding a proper contact for every vulnerable system on the internet?

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever @timmi31061

        Option 1 can be automated, which scales to allow a single person to apply this to the entire internet.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever @timmi31061

        Also, you seem to be under the wrong impression that you have a choice here: if you don't pick 1, you get 2. 😞

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. thunderbolt@chaos.social‏ @timmi31061 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        I know. That's why I'm spending much (too much as many friends say :D) time on upgrading and securing my systems.

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      2. Daniel‏ @DPA168 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        I miss a "I have always a safe backup and could restore almost all datas immediatly" option

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      3. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @DPA168

        Sure, have your customer data dumped on-line: identity theft is not your problem, right?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Daniel‏ @DPA168 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        I can fix any issue on my servers almost immediatly after I am aware of it. Shutting down the whole system isn't a solution.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @DPA168

        problem is, when you're aware of it through a security breach, it's already too late

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Daniel‏ @DPA168 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @berendjanwever

        There is nothing I can do about that. I can only try to convince others to report vulnerabillities.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 29 Nov 2016
        Replying to @DPA168

        Considering the state of internet security, I think it's pretty safe to say that that is not working very well.

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