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    1.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

      Yes, software has bugs. But when software markets itself as a way to protect users, you hold yourself to high standards.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland

      "Protect users" is too broad. AV mostly fights malware. It does that rather well. Some products do it better than others.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity

      The problem is that AV these days doesn't only market itself that way. It has "features" for many, many other things.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

      And regardless of whatever "value-add" they shove in, it's still security software. It should be held to highest standards.

      1 reply 2 retweets 0 likes
    5. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland

      There have been silly bugs found in firewalls, etc., so your point is moot. All software has bugs, even the security software.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @VessOnSecurity

      "all software has bugs" is not an excuse for the incredibly shitty security stance of most security-related software.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

      Yes, all software has bugs, but AV/security software generally has disproportionate bugs in count, severity, and impact.

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    8.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

      By saying "all software has bugs" in response to be calling out shitty security practices you perpetuate security apathy.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

      F.E. it is wholly irresponsible for AV vendors to be shipping globally injected DLLs which aren't ASLR enabled in 2016.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

      Yet it's awfully common practice. Along with super obvious system object DACL bugs which plague every AV I've looked at.

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      𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 18 Nov 2016
      Replying to @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

      I'll take my software with less surface area over more marketing friendly features anyday.

      3:17 PM - 18 Nov 2016
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        2. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever 18 Nov 2016
          Replying to @berendjanwever @gsuberland @VessOnSecurity

          especially complex surface area like AV that introduces more risk than it removes

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        3. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 18 Nov 2016
          Replying to @berendjanwever @gsuberland

          Well, that's just false. Put 2 machines on the net, one with AV, one without, see which one gets pwned first.

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        4.  🎃 Graham Sutherland  🎃 [Polynomial^DSS]‏ @gsuberland 18 Nov 2016
          Replying to @VessOnSecurity @berendjanwever

          This line of argument misses the point. There should be minimal additional risk from an AV. There isn't.

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        5. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 18 Nov 2016
          Replying to @gsuberland @berendjanwever

          That's false. A machine with AV is less at risk than a machine without.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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