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    1. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever Oct 28
      Replying to @steventseeley @vanilla and

      I can relate to your frustration and I don't care about vendors much myself, but I do care about end users. If you feel they are best served by releasing the 0-say to show how bad the security is, do include the communication in full to show how bad @vanilla handled it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    2. Wireghoul‏ @wireghoul Oct 28
      Replying to @berendjanwever @steventseeley and

      It just seems like a straw man argument, users are kept safe by secure development and patch adoption. Disclosure practices have very little impact on patch adoption in my experience.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever Oct 28
      Replying to @wireghoul @steventseeley and

      Disagree: secure development can't prevent 0-day and you can't patch for it either. Disclosure practices have a large impact on PR and potential attacks against users. If your goal is to secure users, releasing 0-day may help to convince users to stop using the product.

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      𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever Oct 28
      Replying to @berendjanwever @wireghoul and

      ... but users may not be aware if there is little media response until they get owned using your 0day (trust me, I've been there), which is the opposite of what you want to achieve.

      3:06 PM - 28 Oct 2018
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        2. Wireghoul‏ @wireghoul Oct 28
          Replying to @berendjanwever @steventseeley and

          Well yes, the hype cycle is important, I reluctantly admit that having a name/logo/theme song for your vulnerability can help drive patch adoption. On the other hand, eternal blue hit hard despite the disclosure and patches being available.

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        3. 𝓢𝓀𝓎𝓛𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒹‏ @berendjanwever Oct 28
          Replying to @wireghoul @steventseeley and

          Yes, it's certainly not black and white. Just wanted to caution against venting frustration through 0-day if that would otherwise not help. But if a vendor is truly failing to secure their users, that should be made *very* public indeed. (@PwnieAwards FTW!)

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        4. ϻг_ϻε‏ @steventseeley Oct 28
          Replying to @berendjanwever @wireghoul and

          Let’s see, no CVE’s ever assigned, misguided commit messages to actual reasons for code change... disclosure after like 6 months... @vanilla is doing the pay4silence thing on @Hacker0x01.

          2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
        5. krzywix‏ @krzywix Oct 29
          Replying to @steventseeley @berendjanwever and

          I can only second @berendjanwever here. 👍 Users are not guilty of anything here, vendor is.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Wireghoul‏ @wireghoul Oct 29
          Replying to @krzywix @steventseeley and

          So when vendor has a bug bounty that restricts disclosure and doesn’t provide auto update features or reference security fixes in the change log it is supposedly helping keep users safe by communicating with the vendor so they can maintain status quo where users aren’t updating?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. krzywix‏ @krzywix Oct 29
          Replying to @wireghoul @steventseeley and

          Little empathy guys, dropping stuff should be last resort option not the first thought when vendor is not responding for a week or not assigning cve.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Wireghoul‏ @wireghoul Oct 29
          Replying to @krzywix @steventseeley and

          Or perhaps you’re not dealing with disclosure at scale, there is a limit to how much time an individual can invest in chasing disclosure with reluctant vendors

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. krzywix‏ @krzywix Oct 29
          Replying to @wireghoul @steventseeley and

          I think you can get them deleted from the bug bounty platform if you provide enough proof of how bad the situation is.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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