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Director, ACLU Speech, Privacy & Technology Project. Blocked by @realDonaldTrump. Views are my own.

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    1. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 23 Apr 2017

      Michael Cohen Retweeted Ben Wizner

      Imagine comparing the rule of law in Russia & China to the rule of law in the United Stateshttps://twitter.com/benwizner/status/855175372715036676 …

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      Ben WiznerVerified account @benwizner
      Imagine if China or Russia announced a criminal investigation of US journalists for publishing their state secrets. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/855171242344812546 …
      3 replies 29 retweets 65 likes
    2. Ben Wizner‏Verified account @benwizner 23 Apr 2017
      Replying to @speechboy71

      Very odd that you read this as some kind of defense of CN or RU. It's an argument about extraterritorial application of secrecy laws.

      6 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 23 Apr 2017
      Replying to @benwizner @speechboy71

      If a New York Times reporter, say, conducted espionage against the UK from NY, the US would NEVER take the view that Britain cannot...

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Ben Wizner‏Verified account @benwizner 23 Apr 2017
      Replying to @benjaminwittes @speechboy71

      I'm saying we would never allow China to define the publication of their secrets as "espionage."

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 23 Apr 2017
      Replying to @benwizner @speechboy71

      but what do you mean "allow"? They do precisely that, and we don't prevent it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Ben Wizner‏Verified account @benwizner 23 Apr 2017
      Replying to @benjaminwittes @speechboy71

      I mean we would cry bloody murder if China charged David Sanger with espionage under Chinese law.

      6:07 AM - 23 Apr 2017
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        2. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benwizner @speechboy71

          I think we would make a substantive argument that the activity in question is protected speech.

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        3. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benjaminwittes @benwizner @speechboy71

          or should be.

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        4. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benjaminwittes @benwizner @speechboy71

          we don't believe they should be prosecuted and we're going to protect them if they want to stay here.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Ben Wizner‏Verified account @benwizner 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benjaminwittes @speechboy71

          I wasn't trying to make a law professor argument about jurisdiction. I was trying to illustrate the danger of extraterritorial enforcement.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benwizner @speechboy71

          enforced.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Ben Wizner‏Verified account @benwizner 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benjaminwittes @speechboy71

          It's both.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benwizner @speechboy71

          Yes, but I don't think we would make a jurisdictional argument that China does not have authority to criminalize publication of its secrets.

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        3. Ben Wizner‏Verified account @benwizner 23 Apr 2017
          Replying to @benjaminwittes @speechboy71

          You're being legalistic here. I'm talking about the principle of reciprocity.

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