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Author/Founder of @stratechery. Host of @exponentfm. @notechben for sports. @monkbent on other networks. Home on the Internet.

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    Ben Thompson‏Verified account @benthompson 9 Feb 2014

    Was getting ready to write why that Ars article about Android/AOSP was fudtastic, but a Google employee did it for mehttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/neither-microsoft-nokia-nor-anyone-else-should-fork-android-its-unforkable/?comments=1&post=26199423 …

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      2. Jason Snell‏Verified account @jsnell 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent Except that reply suggests Android has value to OEMs without Google's cloud services, which seems misleading.

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      3. Ben Thompson‏Verified account @benthompson 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @jsnell

        @jsnell but it does! There are 300m+ phones a year sold in China with alternative services. Doesn't MSFT prefer their own services anyways?

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      4. Jason Snell‏Verified account @jsnell 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent but I'm thinking of Samsung and HTC and the like, not MSFT. To be Real Android means using Google services.

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      5. Ben Thompson‏Verified account @benthompson 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @jsnell

        @jsnell yeah, and you can't do both. Condition of using Google services

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      2. Simon Davies‏ @demontrout 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent seems to be saying mostly the same thing but with a positive spin @DrPizza

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      3. Ben Thompson‏Verified account @benthompson 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @demontrout

        @Demontrout @DrPizza sure. That’s why it was FUD. The whole point would be to substitute MSFT’s cloud services.

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      4. Simon Davies‏ @demontrout 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent Well, that comment was mainly arguing Google's altruistic intent. I'd still be interested in a more relevant retort @DrPizza

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      1. Neil Cybart‏Verified account @neilcybart 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent Google employee talking up Android. Shocker.

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      2. Joshua J. Arnold‏ @joshuajames 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent I'd have more sympathy if Google wasn't attacking others for being less "open". All the bits that matter to Google are closed.

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      3. Joshua J. Arnold‏ @joshuajames 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @joshuajames

        @monkbent just like all the bits that matter to Apple are closed.

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      1. Juraj Antas‏ @jurajantas 14 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent http://www.benedelman.org/news/021314-1.html …

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      1. Anthony Sanz‏ @apere006 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent be replaced. Its getting more and more like more advanced linux kernel vs a full OS.

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      1. Anthony Sanz‏ @apere006 9 Feb 2014
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        @monkbent and everything consumer facing is getting removed from aosp. Yes you have a working but all the apps are out of date and need to…

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      1. Anthony Sanz‏ @apere006 9 Feb 2014
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        @monkbent I have problems with the article but this avoids the real argument that everything is getting more tied into its cloud services…

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      1. Sebastien Le Calvez‏ @Sebangelist 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent @tomwarren engineer's POV vs. business POV. Of course it can be forked, but is it worth it? Not because you can, you should...

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      1. Struykert‏ @Struykert 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent but why can we not uninstall google services, y are they part of an operating system and not optional errr.... services?

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      1. Jon Price‏ @jonprice 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent @DrPizza @BenedictEvans argument may be flawed, but thesis still valid. suggestion rooted in not understanding platform strategy.

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      2. 𝕂𝕖𝕧𝕚𝕟‏ @kevinwiseman 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @benthompson

        @monkbent @BenBajarin AOSP is only successful in markets where access to Google services is either not allowed, or not desirable.

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      3. Ben Bajarin‏Verified account @BenBajarin 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @kevinwiseman

        @kevinwiseman @monkbent those markets also happen to be the fastest growing.

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      4. 𝕂𝕖𝕧𝕚𝕟‏ @kevinwiseman 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @BenBajarin

        @BenBajarin @monkbent segments "android" into local markets, while iOS remains global. Bad for Google, unappealing for MSFT

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      5. Ben Bajarin‏Verified account @BenBajarin 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @kevinwiseman

        @kevinwiseman @monkbent Perhaps or perhaps not. First time customers have to come from somewhere.

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      6. 𝕂𝕖𝕧𝕚𝕟‏ @kevinwiseman 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @BenBajarin

        @BenBajarin @monkbent I was referring to MSFT ceding US market to Google Android. Don't think MSFT can outcompete local AOSP either.

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      7. Ben Bajarin‏Verified account @BenBajarin 9 Feb 2014
        Replying to @kevinwiseman

        @kevinwiseman @monkbent they keep Win Phone in my scenario for developed and use a differentiated AOSP where there is little differentiation

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