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    1. grsecurity‏ @grsecurity Sep 10

      I see https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1633 … was finally published today despite public commits existing for weeks. Thanks to @tehjh and Google's Project Zero for enabling Linus' silent fix commit messages to ensure only our customers get fixes promptly :)

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    2. grsecurity‏ @grsecurity Sep 10

      @benhawkes Something to think about -- Google's criticism of Microsoft's policies has been very public, and P0 has historically pushed for large changes there. I don't see anything like that happening with Linux where Google is one of the main players in upstream Linux security

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      Ben Hawkes‏ @benhawkes Sep 10
      Replying to @grsecurity

      Yeah, definitely something to think about. You're right that we haven't made an explicit endorsement or critique of silent commits by Linux upstream, what you're seeing here is essentially a default process that we apply across a bunch of different projects/vendors.

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        2. Ben Hawkes‏ @benhawkes Sep 10
          Replying to @benhawkes @grsecurity

          There are some options here that we can explore. Am I right in saying that your preference would be for Project Zero to derestrict as soon as we see an upstream commit? IIRC, the distros are the ones that argue against this, saying they want some time to package their fixes?

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        3. grsecurity‏ @grsecurity Sep 10
          Replying to @benhawkes

          Yeah, in fact that's how I thought the process was supposed to work as I think I remember that happening in the past, but it could be that it just varies from person to person.

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        4. grsecurity‏ @grsecurity Sep 10
          Replying to @grsecurity @benhawkes

          I get the distro angle, but cf. Microsoft/etc where the modified binary is the first public sign of a problem, distributed to everyone good/bad at the same time, here there's a lot more info being provided to bad people and a handful of good, with distro updates weeks/months out

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        5. grsecurity‏ @grsecurity Sep 10
          Replying to @grsecurity @benhawkes

          I mean, we're happy to continue exploiting this situation as long as it exists, but it seems like other people are getting a raw deal ;)

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