Funny how you discover the virtue of being fair when I apply *your* reasoning against *your* argument. Yet, if you object to conservatives saying "wait, pure, unchecked majoritarianism with no counterbalancing values can go bad places," well, that is the textbook example.https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1381687057890873351 …
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Dan McLaughlin Retweeted Nathan Wurtzel
Or voting to make someone else their property, for that matter.https://twitter.com/NathanWurtzel/status/1381686877170851855 …
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Dan McLaughlin Retweeted Jonathan Chait
I literally do not believe that, and have never argued that, not that it will stop you saying so. Raising the top tax rate is economically self-defeating. Past a certain point, it is also unfair. It is not the same thing as not allowing people to vote.https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1381689254921842693 …
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Jonathan ChaitVerified account @jonathanchaitRight, see you think raising the top tax rate is in the same category as not allowing people to vote. (Discrimination against the rich!) That's my whole point. That's how the conservative movement sees the world. https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/1381687754225029127 …Show this thread18 replies 10 retweets 61 likesShow this thread -
What I believe in is, essentially, the classical liberal order championed by Abraham Lincoln. Democracy is one of the components of that, but it has never been the only one.
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Dan McLaughlin Retweeted Jonathan Bernstein
Democracy may or may not be pure majoritarianism, but if you acknowledge the legitimacy of *any* restraints on majorities, Chait's demagogic attack on the conservative critique dissolves. All we're saying is that our system isn't & shouldn't be 100% pure majoritarianism.https://twitter.com/jbview/status/1381694474049486854 …
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This thread began with a tweet by you minimizing the value of DEMOCRACY.https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/1381683123805650945 …
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Dan McLaughlinVerified account @baseballcrankDemocracy has some value as a good in itself, but it is decidedly secondary to liberty. Its chief virtue is being, in Churchill's words, the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. https://twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1381682033307553797 …1 reply 0 retweets 15 likes -
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As usual, my point has remained consistent all along. The principle value of democracy is instrumental. It has some value in itself, but other things are more important. We mainly measure the value of democracy as a system by how it delivers those.
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Exactly. I think the right to self-government is paramount, even at the expense of my preferred economic system. Your priorities are the reverse.
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Are you for removing the un and anti democratic elements of the Constitution? Very hard to vote away first amendment rights — thank God. Democracy is good. But the best parts of liberal systems are the things that are put out of the reach of momentary political passion.
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The First Amendment is the key protector of the liberal parts of "liberal democracy." The Constitution required several un-democratic elements that aren't liberal, and also lacks important protections. There should be a right to vote for adult citizens!
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If you're conceding that, say, freedom of religion is a higher value that can trump pure majoritarianism, you've just conceded 100% of my argument.
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This is not your argument. At least not as you have advanced it.
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