It would be challenging to study systematically. But anecdotally, you still see a bunch of these guys (esp hitters) just murdering minor league pitching for a few years - some white guys too (your Sieberns and Cervs) but it just crops up in a lot of bios. Far less so after.
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Replying to @baseballcrank
I thought maybe you had a source, but . . .if it is just "anecdotally", I absolutely don't believe it. Jim Gentile was in the minors 1952 to 1959, playing 1,310 minor league games. Jim Lemon hit 40 homers in the minors in 1950, didn't make the majors until 1956.
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Replying to @billjamesonline
Definitely some white guys stuck in the same trap. The question, which I have not studied systematically, is whether it was disproportionate. But given that black players were very underrepresented in MLB the 1950s & some teams definitely thought this way, it's not a big leap.
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Replying to @baseballcrank
What it is, is, it's a false statement. I would urge you to avoid making false statements when you can. I know that we all write things, in good faith and with sources, that turn out to be unverifiable.
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Replying to @billjamesonline
Well, what I think we can observe is that (1) expansion broke a lot of guys out of that trap at the same time that (2) the proportion of black players started rising quickly - by almost a third 1960-63. https://sabr.org/bioproj/topic/baseball-demographics-1947-2016/ …
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Replying to @baseballcrank
THose things would be easy to document if they were true.
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Replying to @billjamesonline
Rule V draft is also part of that story alongside expansion (eg, Roberto Clemente getting liberated from the Dodgers system). It got harder in general to keep talented players down.
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Replying to @baseballcrank
The Rule 5 draft goes back to about 1903 or something, doesn't it? There were a couple of superstars way back who have been described as Rule V drafts. John?
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Replying to @billjamesonline @baseballcrank
Rule 5 dates to 1892, when it was referred to as simply "Selection of Players. Rule 5 by that appellation dates to 1941. Hack Wilson was plucked from the Giants' farm system by the Cubs.
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Replying to @thorn_john @baseballcrank
There is somebody bigger than Hack, earlier on. Maybe Pete Alexander?
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Alexander wasn't in organized ball very long. Was the rule ever used to force Jack Dunn to sell one of his stars?
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