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Senior Writer @NRO. Reaganite, Catholic, Mets fan, ex-lawyer. Opinions 100% my own, but you can share them. Not the Cardinals broadcaster.

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    1. Dan McLaughlin‏Verified account @baseballcrank Mar 4
      Replying to @billjamesonline

      It would be challenging to study systematically. But anecdotally, you still see a bunch of these guys (esp hitters) just murdering minor league pitching for a few years - some white guys too (your Sieberns and Cervs) but it just crops up in a lot of bios. Far less so after.

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    2. Bill James Online‏ @billjamesonline Mar 4
      Replying to @baseballcrank

      I thought maybe you had a source, but . . .if it is just "anecdotally", I absolutely don't believe it. Jim Gentile was in the minors 1952 to 1959, playing 1,310 minor league games. Jim Lemon hit 40 homers in the minors in 1950, didn't make the majors until 1956.

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    3. Dan McLaughlin‏Verified account @baseballcrank Mar 4
      Replying to @billjamesonline

      Definitely some white guys stuck in the same trap. The question, which I have not studied systematically, is whether it was disproportionate. But given that black players were very underrepresented in MLB the 1950s & some teams definitely thought this way, it's not a big leap.

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    4. Bill James Online‏ @billjamesonline Mar 4
      Replying to @baseballcrank

      What it is, is, it's a false statement. I would urge you to avoid making false statements when you can. I know that we all write things, in good faith and with sources, that turn out to be unverifiable.

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    5. Dan McLaughlin‏Verified account @baseballcrank Mar 4
      Replying to @billjamesonline

      Well, what I think we can observe is that (1) expansion broke a lot of guys out of that trap at the same time that (2) the proportion of black players started rising quickly - by almost a third 1960-63. https://sabr.org/bioproj/topic/baseball-demographics-1947-2016/ …

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    6. Bill James Online‏ @billjamesonline Mar 4
      Replying to @baseballcrank

      THose things would be easy to document if they were true.

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    7. Dan McLaughlin‏Verified account @baseballcrank Mar 4
      Replying to @billjamesonline

      Rule V draft is also part of that story alongside expansion (eg, Roberto Clemente getting liberated from the Dodgers system). It got harder in general to keep talented players down.

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    8. Bill James Online‏ @billjamesonline Mar 4
      Replying to @baseballcrank

      The Rule 5 draft goes back to about 1903 or something, doesn't it? There were a couple of superstars way back who have been described as Rule V drafts. John? @thorn_john

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    9. Dan McLaughlin‏Verified account @baseballcrank Mar 4
      Replying to @billjamesonline @thorn_john

      Open to correction on that one. I had thought it either started or expanded some time in the Fifties. Whole premise of the draft wouldn't make sense before farm systems.

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    10. Bill James Online‏ @billjamesonline Mar 4
      Replying to @baseballcrank @thorn_john

      There was a rules change about 1958-1959, which changed the length of time that an organization could hold a player without putting him on a major league roster. I'm not clear on the details, but wonder if you may be confusing the effects of THAT with effects of expansion.

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      Dan McLaughlin‏Verified account @baseballcrank Mar 4
      Replying to @billjamesonline @thorn_john

      Could be, or at least the two may both be factors. My point is the time frame, which is why expansion seems a likely culprit.

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