There is no reason whatsoever to think I trust those people. Hell, I just wrote a piece on that very issue! But I believe - do you? - that there are voters & prospective voters in the United States other than hard-shell leftists & diehard personal loyalists of Donald J. Trump.
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Replying to @baseballcrank @bonchieredstate
Sure. Like 90%. But there’s no you on the other side, Dan. That’s the problem.
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Replying to @BlueBoxDave @bonchieredstate
On the other side? No. In the middle? Yes, there are people you can win over, people who will flock to your banner for a day, if not for every season. The kinds of people Lincoln & Reagan recruited to their causes.
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The “other side” is full of people with certainly as much integrity and fealty to democracy as you. Or do you not think,to mention a salient example today, Jaimie Raskin is such a person? Serious question.
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What is your example of Raskin facing the wrath of his party's voters to hold a leading Democrat to account?
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I thought the standard we were discussing was fealty to the constitution and to American democracy. As for “facing the wrath of [a] party’s voters”, I don’t think many modern politicians from either party pass that test. Do you?
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Dave's point is that we should be like the Democrats and side blindly with our own all the time, no matter what they do. I'm disagreeing with that.
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Right—but that’s just empirically false. The Dems recently forced the resignation of a very popular senator, Al Franken. They also, around the same time, forced the resignation of a prominent long term member of Congress, John Conyers.
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They forced out Franken only when they knew they could safely replace him with a D. Ditto Conyers. Something like the Never Trump movement would be impossible - inconceivable - on the D side.
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Replying to @baseballcrank @yeselson and
Ds let Ted Kennedy represent Massachusetts even after he killed a girl. Ds blindly side with their own.
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Yes. And they not just re-elected Ted K, they let him be the leader of the party's agenda & message. You'll never find a D who says that was not worth the trade.
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