Biden saying Trump is the one who demanded shutdowns, which is some serious revisionist history.
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It makes more sense, in terms of their respective bases, to get to the point where Trump argues for opening things & Biden argues for closing them.
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Trump is STILL claiming you'll get to see his tax returns, which is nonsense.
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Now, Trump moves on to better ground on taxes, that a lot of his tax benefits came from Congress, including the Obama stimulus.
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Biden now arguing that Trump was president for his entire tenure in the Senate.
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Much of the reaction to this debate - not the words, but the candidates - depends on whether bullying works. In 2012, Biden beat Ryan by bullying, shouting down fact & reason. Tonight, Trump is bullying. Will it work just as well?
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Biden & Wallace trying to relitigate the 2009-19 economy is not a winning move,
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Now, we get the Hunter Biden fight. Biden flatly denies that Hunter got the $3.5 million.
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Biden: "My son did nothing wrong." But he offers nothing but flat denials.
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"I can't get a word in with this clown." - Biden
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Trump: "Can I be honest?" Wallace: "The answer is no."
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Everybody's gonna be mad at Chris Wallace after this debate, but his position is so impossible, I don't know that any moderator could do a good job with this mess.
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Biden now narrating the two rallies in Charlottesville as a single event.
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Trump now wrapping himself in criminal justice reform, which is ironic for the two candidates' postures even though it has some basis.
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Now, Trump pivots in the same answer to law and order. He's making two solid points, but in a seriously contradictory way.
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The law enforcement issues really cut both ways for both of these guys, which is why you get Biden defending cops.
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In Biden's case, his instincts are pro-law enforcement, pro-cops. But his base is pulling the other way.
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Trump on critical race theory training: "I ended it because it was racist...You know it and everybody else knows it."
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Trump all but going into the Animal House speech about talking down the USA
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Biden can't defend left-wing extremism on critical race theory in diversity training, which many corporate employees have been subjected to, so he just flatly denies it exists.
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There are areas Biden is prepared to engage on, but when you get him on anything uncomfortable, he just goes to bald-faced denial.
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Biden: "I was raised in the suburbs"
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Biden "totally opposed to defunding the police"
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Wallace asks Biden if he has talked to Democratic governors or mayors. Biden says he's out of office. So much for being the party.
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Wallace asks Trump to condemn white supremacist groups, Proud Boys. Trump volunteers to condemn, but refuses to concede premise that they're a major source of the street violence. Biden insists that Antifa doesn't exist, it's just an idea.
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Trump's answer on condemning white supremacists was not bad (compared to how he talked about the Klan 4 years ago), but he really should have taken the political opportunity to deliver it in a clean soundbite.
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Trump now mocking Obama & Biden for not filling enough judges. Which they did kinda fall down on, but of course they lost the Senate in 2014.
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Oh no, Biden now responding to attacks on Hunter Biden by talking about Beau.
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Trump succeeded in derailing Biden back to talking about Hunter.
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The saddest thing of all in this debate is that this may be as well as either of these guys could be expected to do.
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Trump actually giving a strong, coherent answer on forest management, which is not the kind of subject you'd typically expect Trump to know anything about.
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