Best way to teach Chinese students that American values are better than Chinese values is to censor them from certain fields based on their ethnicity!
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Replying to @Timodc @scottlincicome
I think you are using ethnicity when Cotton was talking about nationality.
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Replying to @baseballcrank @scottlincicome
Point stands. Want to limit Chinese visas. Fine. But censoring/banning them from certain knowledge is not a very American way to reflect the difference in cultural mores.
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Replying to @Timodc @scottlincicome
The issue is not Chinese immigrants, it is specifically people *returning to China* with technical training. I don't like this sort of thing either, but the question is part of a broader debate over Chinese industrial/technological espionage, which is widely recognized.
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Agreed. I don't think we need to use a sledgehammer here, or at least it would be better not to. My point is that Cotton is raising a genuinely serious issue regarding a hostile police state, not just doing some sort of ethnic profiling.
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Replying to @ltthompso @baseballcrank and
I know I say this here a lot, but it bears repeating: ask the Security office at any college with an engineering department who the local runners for Chinese espionage are. They’ll know, and they can point them out on campus if you like.
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Replying to @willcollier @ltthompso and
eg https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/theft-of-universities-secrets-fuels-us-crackdown-on-chinese-talent-programmes/4011014.article … https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/07/justice-department-china-espionage-169653 … https://www.wsj.com/articles/four-members-of-china-s-military-indicted-for-massive-equifax-breach-11581346824?mod=djemalertNEWS … https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-scientist-and-the-spy-review-agent-running-in-the-field-11581278582 … https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-national-who-worked-monsanto-indicted-economic-espionage-charges …https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/06/08/531771780/spies-in-the-field-as-farming-goes-high-tech-espionage-threat-grows …
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Replying to @baseballcrank @ltthompso and
And those are the “big stories.” Espionage is happening in little dribs and drabs every single day. Vast majority of Chinese students are not spies per se, but they are almost all under pressure to provide this or that little detail that helps the CCP build big pictures.
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The harder question for immigration restrictionists is whether we should be more aggressively trying to brain-drain the PRC by enticing in more Chinese scientists to settle here as citizens. But you can want that & still also support a hard line against Chinese nationals.
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