I believe you’re referring to the NYT downhill, correct?
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Replying to @janecoaston @cjane87
I'm looking a good deal more broadly than that, as are most of the people who are criticizing the series - nearly none of whom trust the Times as an honest interlocutor for reasons long predating August 2019.
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Replying to @baseballcrank @cjane87
Dan—you can’t do meta on serious scholars and writers like this. Or not meta alone. You have to closely read the texts and criticize them on their own terms. Nobody is actually saying that
@jbouie misread Calhoun or that@KevinMKruse doesn’t understand public transportation in3 replies 1 retweet 13 likes -
Let's just say my experience with those two writers in particular does not fill me with confidence in their good faith.
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Replying to @baseballcrank @cjane87 and
See—that’s doesn’t cut it. There are maybe ten people in the country who know as much about modern Atlanta as Kruse. If you or somebody else think his argument is implausible, say so. I’ve read a lot of Calhoun’s original texts. I bet you have too. If you think Bouie has misread
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If I write a column on any of this, I'll surely get into the weeds; that's always been my method.
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Replying to @baseballcrank @cjane87 and
Exactly. So I’m asking that you or whomever else
@IlyaSomin et al.argue the facts—if you dispute them—and argue the logic and the historical narrative. Not revert to,”This is agit prop hatred of America.” Intellectuals—not agit Hannitty like clowns—are arguing with evidence.2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @yeselson @baseballcrank and
You are able to do that. So is Simin. Pat dismissal, especially on issue this important about which there is, at least, some stipulated agreement, is insufficient. Or else, stop with the “don’t piss over the tree of liberty” stuff (Somin). Brilliant Americans—mostly black—deserve
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I'll just note that a lot of the out-of-the-blocks criticism here is aimed at how the NYT is framing & marketing the series. You should at least be able to understand why people react to that.
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Replying to @baseballcrank @cjane87 and
I understand the meta criticism, ie, I see how framing becomes a part of the culture war, but that can’t replace actual engagement with arguments. And sure—this is a long standing fight between several “master narratives” here and that can be incorporated. But texts must be read.
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I'd be interested to know if you defend this exceptionally broad assertion, which is presented on the thinnest of evidence in the headline essay, and on what basis:pic.twitter.com/WFBABRl3kN
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Replying to @baseballcrank @cjane87 and
It’s complicated to express on twitter, but basically: yes and no. Yes, in that, if you focus on Virginia, the largest and wealthiest colony (wealth derived from slavery), I expected the thesis sentence you highlighted to flow right out of Morgan’s great work, American Slavery
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Replying to @yeselson @baseballcrank and
American Freedom: Virginian planter elites consolidate an ethos of egalitarianism and freedom—but only for white people. Black slaves are demarcated from it, while re-inscribing feared poor whites within a universalism fatally limited by racist hierarchy. This is Morgan’s great
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