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    Tony "Abolish ICE" Arcieri  🦀 🌹‏ @bascule 22 Feb 2017

    Most anti-virus products are snake oil which make computers *less* secure: http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-and-mozillas-message-to-av-and-security-firms-stop-trashing-https/ …pic.twitter.com/pw96fjOkka

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      2. Ben Rothke‏ @benrothke 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @bascule @thegrugq

        Snake oil a bit much as it implies no value. AV products may not be perfect, but they’re certainly betting than nothing.

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      3. Tony "Abolish ICE" Arcieri  🦀 🌹‏ @bascule 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @benrothke @thegrugq

        did you even read? They are literally MUCH WORSE THAN NOTHING

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      2. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @bascule

        All the infected machines I see either have no AV or used Microsoft's. Also, malware using HTTPS to avoid detection is a thing.

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      3. Vess‏ @VessOnSecurity 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @VessOnSecurity @bascule

        So advising users not to use AV is irresponsible at best. There hasn't been a single real-life attack using AV bugs.

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      1.  🧗‍♂️ Matt Holt‏ @mholt6 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity @bascule @taviso

        Not just for antivirus though. Already implemented MITM detection into Caddy: https://github.com/mholt/caddy/pull/1430 …

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      1. Tony "Abolish ICE" Arcieri  🦀 🌹‏ @bascule 22 Feb 2017

        yes, it's one of many problems... the others include things like memory unsafe code unpacking attacker payloads in-kernel

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      1. Thoma§ H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @bascule

        RIP you mentions once Vess sees this.

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      1. Android 17‏ @x_zeros 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @bascule @thegrugq

        AVs are for computer newbies or noobs. Once you learn about process and services then you are way better without AV

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      1. Andrew Douma‏ @securitystreak 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @bascule

        Tony, not to throw water on flaming snake oil. IMHO this is still a case by case basis: https://medium.com/@securitystreak/antivirus-in-2017-why-which-how-88d6d5e6655c … i.e. Cisco Immunet

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      2. Rory‏ @sevenhelz 22 Feb 2017
        Replying to @bascule

        @bennosaurus I don't understand most of this. What's the take-home for the layperson, please? Other than fear?

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      3. Ben Bowman‏ @bennosaurus 23 Feb 2017
        Replying to @sevenhelz @bascule

        I figured it was "lots of free download virus protectors are rubbish, here's a list with one we thought was actually ok"

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