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Co-founder @iqlusioninc, formerly @square @chain. Cryptography dilettante, polyglot programmer, key management wrangler, and infrastructure security specialist

San Francisco, CA
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    1. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013

      Redis is a datastore novices pick because they don't know any better

      6 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    2. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @bascule

      @bascule because there's no usage scenario it if good for? That's a bit disingenuous. Although I'd categorize it more as a YOLOStore

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @mxavier

      @mxavier name a scenario and I can probably name a better tool for the job

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @bascule

      @bascule Also I personally think its a good fit for stuff like sidekiq/redis provided you keep your state in a db with better durability.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @mxavier

      @mxavier Sidekiq would be way better off with a "real queue" like Kafka, IMO /cc @mperham

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @bascule

      @bascule @mperham Redis is easier to to deploy and work with than Kafka in my experience. Of course the proj I evald it for went w hbase D:

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @mxavier

      @mxavier @mperham it'd be nice if Sidekiq could support both

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    8.  🎤  🍐 🐖‏ @mperham 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @bascule

      @bascule @mxavier Sidekiq uses of all Redis's different data structures to power its features. Kafka can't support that afaik.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @mperham

      @mperham @mxavier what features can't be mapped onto Kafka?

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    10. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @bascule

      @bascule @mperham I don't see atomic ops in the docs. Do you think its reasonable some1 create a redis compat layer bc you don't like redis?

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      Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
      Replying to @mxavier

      @mxavier @mperham Kafka is effectively immutable (with "GC") so "atomic ops" are irrelevant. Coordinate through Zookeeper

      8:54 PM - 23 Aug 2013
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        2. Bob Potter‏ @bpot 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          @bascule @mxavier @mperham I think kafka+zk would be super complex and not very performant if you built atomic ops on it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bpot

          @bpot @mxavier @mperham most of the use cases of atomic ops in Redis are obviated by Kafka streams' "immutability"

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Bob Potter‏ @bpot 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          @bascule @mxavier @mperham sure but you're building a (poor?) implementation of redis into the client, using kafka as a store, at that point

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bpot

          @bpot @mxavier @mperham Redis loses data. Kafka typically doesn't (unless you sit on it too long)

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Felix Gallo‏ @felixgallo 24 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          @bascule @bpot @mxavier @mperham 'redis loses data' eyeroll

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 24 Aug 2013
          Replying to @felixgallo

          @felixgallo @bpot @mxavier @mperham it's using asynchronous replication without 2PC/quorum writes, so yes: http://aphyr.com/posts/283-call-me-maybe-redis …

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        8. Bob Potter‏ @bpot 24 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          Bob Potter Retweeted Jeff VanderQueer

          @bascule @felixgallo @mxavier @mperham kafka has its own data loss issueshttps://twitter.com/aphyr/status/370450880107016192 …

          Bob Potter added,

          Jeff VanderQueer @aphyr
          Demo of Kafka 0.8 replication dropping acked writes during a single-node failure http://engineering.linkedin.com/kafka/intra-cluster-replication-apache-kafka … https://www.refheap.com/17932/raw 
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 24 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bpot

          @bpot @felixgallo @mxavier @mperham apples and oranges. Kafka has a real distribution strategy. Redis does not

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          @bascule @mperham I've had my fill of wacky zookeeper/hadoop bullshit trying to prop up the aforementioned hbase app I worked on. No thanks.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @mxavier

          @mxavier @mperham the alternative is losing data when things break *shrug*

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          @bascule @mperham Which is a scenario I can (and prefer to) handle in a job queue a whole lot more than Java dev ops.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @mxavier

          @mxavier @mperham the thing is if you build things on the right primitives it's actually very easy not to lose data

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          @bascule @mperham I don't disagree with you but until someone does that and targets the simple case like redis, many will prefer redis.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7.  🎤  🍐 🐖‏ @mperham 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @mxavier

          @mxavier @bascule No one's going to set up a ZK and kafka cluster to run a few async jobs. Redis scales from 1 node/1 dev to a big team.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Tony Arcieri‏ @bascule 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @mperham

          @mperham @mxavier there are an awful lot of Ruby "power users" out there still running Resque with various degrees of success ;)

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Michael Xavier‏ @mxavier 23 Aug 2013
          Replying to @bascule

          @bascule @mperham I run resque at work on 1 of our apps because sidekiq's concurrency model not an opt. I guess that makes me a noob though?

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