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    Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

    1. The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions -- Philadelphia Edition! Nearly two years ago, Philadelphia passed a "soda tax" -- a hefty 1.5 cents per ounce or $1 tax on a typical two-liter bottle -- as a "sin tax" in the national war on obesity. Now the verdict is in.pic.twitter.com/jCMPnPt9o2

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      2. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        2. Philadelphians didn’t cut calories as a result of the tax on sweetened drinks, nor did they shift towards drinking anything healthier. Instead, most of them just drove outside the city to buy the same old sodas from stores where they didn’t have to pay the tax.

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      3. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        3. Meanwhile the poorest in the city — those who would find it hardest to drive for many miles to buy soda — just ended up paying more in taxes.

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      4. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        4. “We find no significant reduction in calorie and sugar intake,” conclude researchers Stephan Seiler from Stanford University, Anna Tuchman from Northwestern and Song Yao from the University of Minnesota, in a study published this week.

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      5. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        5. Quote from the study: "The tax does not lead to a shift in consumption towards healthier products, it affects low income households more severely, and it is limited in its ability to raise revenue."

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      6. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        6. As the obesity epidemic effects the poor disproportionately, they say, the tax “imposes a relatively larger financial burden on low income/high obesity households that are less likely to engage in cross-shopping at stores outside of the city.”

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      7. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        7. They also note that this dismal outcome is wildly at odds with earlier, optimistic economic forecasts about how such soda taxes would fare.

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      8. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        8. A variety of economists, using spreadsheets and theoretical economic models, predicted that taxing sugared drinks would lead to sharp falls in the amount of them that are drunk, especially by the poor.

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      9. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        9. “Compared to the decrease of 51,000 ounces of taxed beverages at the average store in Philadelphia, we find an even larger increase of 61,000 ounces (per store) in stores up to 2 miles away from the city,” the researchers found.

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      10. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        10. Apparently, none of this was accurately forecast using economic models. A tax designed to improve health of the poor does no such thing, but instead just ends up enriching the city coffers by further impoverishing the very poor it was allegedly intended to help. The End

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      11. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        Bansi Sharma Retweeted Steven Snyder

        Oh my God! This soda tax fiasco in Philadelphia is even worse than what I thought. See this thread for additional color on this.https://twitter.com/NoGimmicksNutri/status/1081425239920308224 …

        Bansi Sharma added,

        Steven Snyder @NoGimmicksNutri
        The devastation caused by this is real...real people, real families. The public health advocates supporting this should be held accountable for their role in this travesty. https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-soda-tax-and-consequences-11546647254 …
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      12. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        There has been excellent dialogue generated by this thread. It is gratifying to see some people actually changing their views on "sin taxes" based on this evidence. Many have drawn the logical conclusion that for it to be effective a "sin tax" has to be state/nationwide. 1/

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      13. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        Personally, I find numerous problems with "sin taxes" whether they be local, statewide, or nationwide. 2/

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      14. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        For one thing, they set up a perverse conflict of interest between the state and the citizens. Good intentions aside, legislators rarely, if ever, plan on having zero revenue from sin taxes in future years (even as that would be the case if the taxes worked as advertised). 3/

        4 replies 27 retweets 188 likes
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      15. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        In most cases, legislators bake the tax revenues into their forecasts and start spending them. As the revenue stream dwindles, they find other ways to make up the shortfall, or resort to deficit financing. Either way, "sin tax" turns out to be a canard to raise tax revenues. 4/

        2 replies 28 retweets 195 likes
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      16. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        Do you know that the cigarettes that are confiscated by New York State (to stop illicit cross-border trade in cigarettes, instigated by high taxes on cigarettes) are not destroyed, but sold by the state through the backdoor to raise revenue for the state? Some "sin tax," huh! 5/

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      17. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        So all things considered, where do I come out on "sin taxes." My considered view is this: Government should be in the education business so far health care issues are concerned. 6/

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      18. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        Government should not do a perfunctory job of educating, but a very thorough job, by deploying impartial and best scientific evidence available, and by deploying the best authorities in the field to stake their personal reputations in bringing the best information to people. 7/

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      19. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        Government should also get out of the tax incentives/punishment based behavior modification business altogether to avoid a paternalistic and/or adversarial relationship with citizens. 8/

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      20. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 11

        Government should always raise the revenue it needs through broad based taxation, and never through narrowly targeted venues, which are always open to mischief one way or another, for legislators and citizens alike. No need to create temptation. 9/x

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      21. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 12

        Also, regulation has a role to play. Consumables which are proven to be harmful when consumed as directed should be banned. But consumables that do good in moderation should not be disproportionately taxed. Taxation is a horridly poor substitute for education.

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      22. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 12

        By the way, here's the link to the full report: https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=793116004073121021098031080118005099122022037016006065077116001005125009095118003027000061119043019059124099018021069119115103027053058076046004025088069092064071041039034009074088092099127113110120102085027109000127125118006098127122082089089081065&EXT=pdf …

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      23. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 13

        1. Culture is Key I think many have drawn the wrong conclusion from the successful campaign to reduce cigarette smoking by attributing it to taxes on cigarettes. Even in that case, high taxation hurt the poor the most, and it has given rise to an enormous amount of illicit trade.

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      24. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 13

        2. What has been most successful in reducing smoking is the relentless onslaught of bans on indoor/outdoor smoking, health initiatives, credible cancer research publications, but above all also the consequent social stigma toward smoking.

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      25. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 13

        3. Addictions cannot be broken through taxation. Taxation, no matter how it is rationalized and sold, will always be a revenue grab by turning a blind eye to its negative and regressive impact on the poor (examples abound) and by suppressing opposition through virtue-signalling.

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      26. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 13

        4. To successfully break addictions, the whole culture needs to be engaged. That's what I mean by education. Govt can lend a helping hand to enable this education by being an impartial source and publisher of objective research. But the best education happens through culture.

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      27. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 13

        5. The do-gooders who vociferously virtue-signal about the ills of sugary drinks would do far more good by talking calmly, knowledgeably, and rationally, not politically, about it to friends, family, and others when the right opportunity presents itself.

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      28. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 13

        6. Be a culture change agent, not a political activist in everything you care about. Engaging govt as the primary source for cultural change is a recipe for inviting tyranny, slowly but surely. Make no mistake about it. The End.

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      29. Bansi Sharma‏ @bansisharma Jan 13

        Bansi Sharma Retweeted Steve Agius

        Who is exploiting whom, and in the end, who is paying for it all, both with their dollars and their lives? Taxation can never fix this. Only education and awareness can stop the manipulation and exploitation by politicians and special interests alike.https://twitter.com/hockeytown9/status/1084555106937262080 …

        Bansi Sharma added,

        Steve Agius @hockeytown9
        Replying to @bansisharma
        You know what’s messed up as well? The politicians are getting $ from sugar to subsidize their industry, then taxing them on the other side. Thy play both sides and are making $ hand over fist, and the public is busy paying for it all and blaming Coke instead of big Government.
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      30. End of conversation

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