Shopify does serve this role to some extent for Rails, but I'm not sure if the extends enough to Ruby itself. Maybe @b0rk's sabbatical work is a taste of what it would be like if Stripe funded smart full timers to work on Ruby tooling.
I've heard arguments that different langs were adopted by companies that became huge and had financial incentive to scale the language and build tools. FB with PHP for example. Twitter abandoned Ruby so it hasn't yet benefited from big co putting tons of full timers on it.https://twitter.com/b0rk/status/960614183598518272 …
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Also, Oracle might be in the process of doing this for Ruby with Truffle. My impression though is that alternative Ruby implementations have a hard time keeping up though so I'm not sure how to reason about whether it will pay off for the entire ecosystem.
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Yea I'm thinking about this a lot, like I work for a large company this uses Ruby and I'm wondering what kinds of investment it makes sense for us to make in the language ecosystem
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specifically investments that we can share and that will be useful to folks at smaller companies with less resources
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Yeah. I'd love to learn more about what the calculation was for devs at FB when deciding to do HHVM.
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yeah!! To me this seems like a much smaller investment than HHVM, I think a team of 2 people could make a huge difference
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Absolutely. How many people are actually exclusively full time on Ruby core after all? 4? Take a look at contributors to ruby static/dynamic analysis tools your company depends on. Probably zero full timers. Anyone full time on OSS can have incredible impact.
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I also wonder whether part of this can be solved with a different approach than expecting one co to foot the bill for an OSS full timer. Look at what
@TheLarkInn has done to get funding for Webpack. Does anyone else hustle like he does for OSS funding? He's made a huge difference -
Truth. :) We are now at a place where we are in demand of FT/PT contributors also. But tldr the bottom line is seeking out the companies who value and rely heavily on the tooling/infrastructure. It just turns out webpack is pretty heavily depended on.
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I see similarities in front end frameworks as well. React and Angular being the two biggest examples that come to mind. The improvements to both of those frameworks that come out consistently from the teams at Facebook and Google impress me.
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Yeah the amount of $ and engineers that Google poured making JS fast is incredible and a great example. Google, FB, and Microsoft are all also funding the search for good abstractions to layer on top. Night and day from JS in 2009
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Something cool touched on by
@coolcsh at the NEO dev con was the improvements made to .NET that resulted from making it open source. So not only can they be improved by large institutions, but the companies that use those tools have incentive to improve them too.
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