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Seeking alternative compression. Hopefully wrong on average. Shameless. Started @getcognito and @bloom

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    John Backus‏ @backus Jun 18

    Decentralized discipline: 🏃 For 3 months, I’ll run 4x a week for at least 30min 💰 Deposit 1 ETH 🔑 Smart contract gives your friend sole authority to say if you hit goal 🔥 Contract gives ETH to friend if you miss goal 🚪 No turning back! Will prob build w/ @devonzuegel soon

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      2. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 19

        Followup: • I know you can do the same with cash, I've done it before :) • I could (and may) automate it more using phone data, but the friend part is an easy lazy solution • This is a just-for-fun side project. If you're saying "you could just do X" you're missing the point

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      3. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 19

        As for why I like this as a just-for-fun side project, it codifies all the rules except for the friend’s decision (can’t disable the app, can’t change the code, can’t beg for reinterpretation). All you need is a Larry David-esque friend and I have plentyhttps://youtu.be/sCX_TcKDr4w 

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      2. Woke Capital Management‏ @wokecm Jun 18
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        It’s not decentralized if it requires a friend?

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      3. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 18
        Replying to @wokecm @devonzuegel

        No one can revert the code or shut it down. Think Napster vs BitTorrent.

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      4. Woke Capital Management‏ @wokecm Jun 18
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        I think your friend could. If you asked nicely. Or threatened your friendship

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      5. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 18
        Replying to @wokecm @devonzuegel

        Friend can’t shut down the platform. Anyways, decentralization is a spectrum and one meaning can be what you’re saying, but it isn’t helpful to view this as the only way IMO.

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      6. Woke Capital Management‏ @wokecm Jun 18
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        I view this as closer to Napster since the power is centralized to one friend. Maybe if you distributed the ultimate call to a panel of strangers, who are somehow compensated based on their ability to reach consensus.

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      7. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 18
        Replying to @wokecm

        The contract pairs people, it isn't limited to two people. Two people can violate the intent just like someone can share a fake torrent. You could do this consensus thing but it wasn't the point here. I just want a lazy GymPact (https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/01/pact/ …) and I trust my friends.

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      8. Alan‏ @akgerber Jun 18
        Replying to @backus @wokecm

        Can't you just give your friend the same amount of money and have them pay you back as you run?

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      2. Will‏ @_willish Jul 10
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        I've also been thinking about this. Although more for discipline regarding self-imposed deadlines, e.g. having more skin in the game when working on one's own projects I would even consider just making it more brutal. Funds get burned if objective not met! Any progress on this?

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      3. John Backus‏ @backus Jul 10
        Replying to @_willish @devonzuegel

        No progress. Someone else in the thread mentioned they built this though if you're interested

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      2. .‏ @cdrappi Jun 19
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        i like the spirit of this, but how is it any different than giving your friend ETH and they give it back if you hit the goal?

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      3. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 19
        Replying to @cdrappi @devonzuegel

        Structurally more awkward to back out of. If I want to say "never mind please I don't want to do this anymore" I have to ask them to submit a transaction every week just so I can get the money back. It is just for fun btw. I did similar things in the past with cash.

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      2. Johannes Ahlmann‏ @johannes_cork Jun 20
        Replying to @backus @ruairi_kennedy @devonzuegel

        I like the social component of a friend arbitrator. Alternatively you could wear a GPS watch and use an oracle to validate the running data. If not met, money goes to a charity ;)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 20
        Replying to @johannes_cork @ruairi_kennedy @devonzuegel

        Glad you like the social aspect! I was thinking of a combo the other day. An email is sent to my friend with running maps, times, distances, then they just click yes or no.

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      2. Nick Pappageorge‏ @NpappaG Jun 18
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        Whoever does this for not wasting time on the internet will make a pretty penny

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 18
        Replying to @NpappaG @devonzuegel

        Final boss of @useintent

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Nick Pappageorge‏ @NpappaG Jun 18
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel @useintent

        Many have tried and many have failed....maybe apple and google opening up mobile dashboards will be the game changer here.

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      2. Nick 'Poisonous Sting' Johnson‏ @nicksdjohnson Jun 19
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        I'd rather not give my friends a direct financial incentive to sabotage my fitness goals.

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 19
        Replying to @nicksdjohnson @devonzuegel

        Heh as long as the incentive sticks to scrutiny instead of sabotage then seems fine to me. You could add a spite feature for the subject which would burn the ETH instead of pay the friend if they suspected sabotage

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Nick 'Poisonous Sting' Johnson‏ @nicksdjohnson Jun 19
        Replying to @backus @devonzuegel

        I think I'd prefer a system where the ether went to charity instead, personally.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. Tomislav Mamić‏ @tomislavmamic Jun 19
        Replying to @nicksdjohnson @backus @devonzuegel

        I believe that was the reasoning od @levelsio when he made Go Fucking Do It. People paid him money!

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