this still seems inferior to private trackers. you'd need comparable discovery/discussion/verification of quality and moderation/such (how to not pay out fake rips, e.g.). these sites also already have bounty systems (sponsor acquisition of media, or buy a release to earn buffer)
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Maybe! I’m not saying it would be easy to implement a decentralized version resilient to fakes, but it could be competitive. Trying to “yes, and...” in order to reason about unrealized potential.
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FWIW, I get the value of private trackers. I obsessively sought out invites to the best ones in high school and still use many of them today. I did the whole seed box thing I talk about in the article. I just think there are some potential futures where decentralization wins
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Isn’t this basically what Filecoin / IPFS is?
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Both involve file storage but tokenized BitTorrent has nothing to do with guaranteeing storage. Think of tokenized BitTorrent as a marketplace where people can profit from accurately speculating on which files are valuable by putting storage and bandwidth resources behind them
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I think the Ipfs daemon can be put in a mode that’s exactly this.
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If you have any specific link then I'd love to take a look
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I’ll go dig around for specifics but when you apply to be a miner on filecoin they ask you some questions that imply this is an option. Also I didn’t read your post yet. I will.
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Thanks. I googled around for like 15 minutes after seeing your response but didn’t find anything. I know Filecoin is for incentivizing storage, but not aware of something similar to what I describe in the post
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Also if I’m wrong, I still think a smart client/daemon pair could be built on top of ipfs/filecoin to manage economically optimized seeding & downloading.
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You actually have amost of these in private invite only torrent sites e.g. passthepopcorn. Though very little money trading hands.
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Yeah I did the whole seedbox thing back in the day and I still use private trackers. Still, liquid and decentralized markets would probably take things to another level
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A site I use allows users to submit bounties in upload credit for subtitles on obscure untranslated films. Works remarkably well even in a tiny niche community. I think it's evidence that even fairly weak "good enough" incentives can drive an interesting sharing economy
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Yeah people did hard time for sharing prereleased music back in the warez days. Almost no financial incentive. People just do things for rep sometimes
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Crazy you just posted this. For the past months I've been urging the
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Yeah I’ve been trying to push on standardization too: https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/eip-process-should-embrace-a-model-like-tc39/301 … I think crypto communities are likely hurting standardization by not embracing risk and company needs for fast rate of experimentationhttps://twitter.com/backus/status/992978863197011968?s=21 …
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Appreciate that there's another voice out there for standards John. Pleasure to make your acquaintance and nice job on the torrent article.
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Any thoughts on http://joystream.co ?
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Awesome, I'd love to hear what you learn. I'm really enjoying your analysis of classic p2p. I'd also like to hear more thoughts on how some of these lessons could be applied to fat mobile clients.
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Also love history. We always let our students do mandatory history write-ups: "The fifteen year struggle of decentralizing privacy-enhancing technology" (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.4818.pdf …) and for mobile "Survey of robust and resilient social media tools on Android" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.00071.pdf …
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Strategic "seed pools" (think mining pools)
Long term seeding
Bounty markets for content ("100k tokens for HD Star Wars leak!")
Inter-tracker arbitraging (upload everywhere → easy tokens)