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Seeking alternative compression. Hopefully wrong on average. Shameless. Started @getcognito and @bloom

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    1. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      John Backus Retweeted John Backus

      Well designed game theory can make a protocol better though. Big reason why BitTorrent is so fast!https://twitter.com/backus/status/999519259628732416 …

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      BitTorrent does a surprising amount of game theory under the hood! pic.twitter.com/Mz1EoGu2Yq
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    2. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      Decentralized protocol market mechanisms people experimented with: • Targeted game theory (http://bittorrent.org/bittorrentecon.pdf …) • In kind resource accounting (tracking just upload vs. download) • In-network token you can't cash out • Generalized and liquidatable tokens

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    3. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      MojoNation tried building IPFS+BitTorrent w/ a token in 2000. Quote from thread w/ @NickSzabo4 and @zooko: > The smartest thing [@bramcohen] did when stripping down MojoNation to create BitTorrent was conforming the digital resource mechanism to the actual behavior of the users

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    4. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      Quote is from MojoNation founder Jim McCoy by the way. Source: https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2007/06/nanobarter.html?showComment=1181708460000#c2518193502558600657 … @NickSzabo4 later jokes about the commenter being "anonymous" while using "we" to refer to MojoNation team. Later identifies as Jim McCoy. 🤷‍♂️ Whole thread is a valuable read

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    5. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      MojoNation was a visionary project. In @zooko's post mortem, he mentions some assumptions about usage that didn't pan out, causing problems. IMO, Jim's comment doesn't reject tokens. Instead, he is acknowledging that the token added too much complexity to an already grand visionpic.twitter.com/NAltFWWXjQ

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    6. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      Takeaway: Tokenize after you figured out user behavior. MojoNation incorrectly assumed users would leave their PC connected to network all day. People critique some decentralized projects as bolting a token on to an otherwise understood product. This is an interesting reframing

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    7. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      The teams behind successful decentralized file sharing protocols also created the first client. Tons of people end up competing to be the best app on top of a protocol, but the protocol creators need to lead the way for others. Gnutella was a very important flash in the pan.pic.twitter.com/z5Y8wG3Uxj

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    8. John Backus‏ @backus Jun 6

      Imagine tokenized BitTorrent where clients negotiate token/GB rate for a transfer • Seeding after dl can buy faster future downloads • Incentive to seed long term and contribute bandwidth • Token bounties for desirable content would incentivize sharing content people want

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    9. Bedeho‏ @bedehomender Jun 7
      Replying to @backus

      As some have mentioned, we have already built some of this stuff at @JoyStreamApp, but you should also look at @TriblerTeam. They try to do credit system for private traffic routing also, now moving into upload incentives also I think.

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    10. Bedeho‏ @bedehomender Jun 7
      Replying to @bedehomender @backus and

      They are a very interesting case, while all the commercial actors died out in the P2P winter - this lab was sustained for a decade or so using public funding. I don't know why they are not more popular, bcs they have built a lot of the stuff people are currently promising.

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      John Backus‏ @backus Jun 7
      Replying to @bedehomender @JoyStreamApp @TriblerTeam

      Neat yeah I ran into a bunch of Tribler materials near the end of writing my blog post on this. Would love to chat more with you 1-on-1 about this stuff

      12:27 AM - 7 Jun 2018
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        2. Tribler‏ @TriblerTeam Jun 11
          Replying to @backus @bedehomender @JoyStreamApp

          Enjoyed @backus "What if BitTorrent had a token?". Our lab is dedicated to "Bandwidth-as-a-Currency" since our Aug 2007 launch on BBC News, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6971904.stm …). Please check out our self-replicating server progress and ongoing Tribler research: https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/wiki …pic.twitter.com/keNPElH0Ax

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        3. Bedeho‏ @bedehomender Jun 11
          Replying to @TriblerTeam @backus @JoyStreamApp

          Interesting, will review. Quick question: as you understand it, what is the primary obstacle to making your system an order or two of magnitude more popular (e.g. in terms of daily actives or transmission volume)?

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        4. Tribler‏ @TriblerTeam Jun 11
          Replying to @bedehomender @backus @JoyStreamApp

          Engineering Time. Crafting compiler, kernel, AI engine, and token economy from scratch takes time. When they work, it disrupts, like Skype killed Big Telco. Polishing Tribler to "Youtube level" will take most time. Install flawlessly, never crash, fast.. We compete with "Free".

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        1. Bedeho‏ @bedehomender Jun 7
          Replying to @backus @JoyStreamApp @TriblerTeam

          Def. up for it - will DM, love the history of filesharing myself - so many lessons there, much of it will likely become more relevant again with this new p2p wave.

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