wdym? and changing one's day-to-day habits isn't a revolutionary movement, there are no ethical consumers etc etc
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Replying to @vaguelyhumanoid
Of course you had to respond literally a minute before I deleted it... What I mean is that from what I've seen, I lot of people who claim to be anti-capitalist seem to think that life would be essentially the same after the fall of capitalism.
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd @vaguelyhumanoid
Ethical consumers is not the point. The point is that our consumption habits are entirely predicated upon the capitalist mode of production and as such if you continue to operate as you did before you supposedly came to anti-capitalism then you don't really understand capital.
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
how should people operate differently, in the here and now?
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Replying to @vaguelyhumanoid
Give up all your worldly possessions lol That commodity fetishism gotta go
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
choosing poverty is bourgeois - the actually deprived don't have the time for ascetism. individual consumerism is the effect of capitalism, not the cause, and addressing that symptom alone solves nothing.
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Replying to @vaguelyhumanoid
The actually deprived? Do you fit that category? I was born into poverty and I continue to live in poverty. And I thought we were talking about leftists, not the actually deprived.
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
ok, i'm genuinely sorry for making assumptions. but individual consumer choice can't challenge capitalism, and under capitalism, asceticism is a consumer choice. all the problems w/ capitalism are at a governmental and industrial level
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Replying to @vaguelyhumanoid
It's not merely individual consumer choice if it's executed en masse. And why wouldn't starving capital challenge capitalism?
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
because capital is fundamentally a system of production, not a system of consumption. i get where you're coming from if you mean a mass boycott, but it would have to be an organized movement that also offers counter-institutions
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Well, yeah. There effectively are no counter-institutions though.
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
then build them! that's my whole point - refusal to consume *alone* isn't enough
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