wdym? and changing one's day-to-day habits isn't a revolutionary movement, there are no ethical consumers etc etc
The actually deprived? Do you fit that category? I was born into poverty and I continue to live in poverty. And I thought we were talking about leftists, not the actually deprived.
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Like, you think sitting in an armchair and dreaming about socialism while doing everything exactly the same as before is going to accomplish anything? You think organizing in a manner which replicates the capitalist mode of production is going to do anything?
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If we want change then WE have to change. Society is an aggregate of individuals and individuals are the nodes of social construction. Capitalism is not something that is independent of us. Capitalism is literally the spirit of our time, and the shadow of humanity.
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capitalism is not merely a belief system, a feeling or a behavior enacted by people on the ground level. it is and always was set in place by authorities and enforced thru violence, and throwing out consumer goods (wasteful btw) does not challenge those authorities
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ok, i'm genuinely sorry for making assumptions. but individual consumer choice can't challenge capitalism, and under capitalism, asceticism is a consumer choice. all the problems w/ capitalism are at a governmental and industrial level
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It's not merely individual consumer choice if it's executed en masse. And why wouldn't starving capital challenge capitalism?
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because capital is fundamentally a system of production, not a system of consumption. i get where you're coming from if you mean a mass boycott, but it would have to be an organized movement that also offers counter-institutions
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Well, yeah. There effectively are no counter-institutions though.
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then build them! that's my whole point - refusal to consume *alone* isn't enough
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