On the question of post-irony and meta-irony; Vaporwave vs. Retrowave (Synthwave/Outrun/Futuresynth) --
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so what's the difference between post ironic and meta ironic?
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post-irony muddles sincerity with irony whereas meta-irony is ironic irony ...
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ohhh ok. yeah I would say vaporwave is more post irony. retrowave is a mix of straight up sincerity and meta irony (stuff like kung fury)
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Hmmm, it's that element of sincerity in rwave which give me the impression of the opposite. Vwave seems to lack any sincerity.
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Vaporwave kinds seems entirely ironic and ironic about its irony.
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hmm yeah i feel like alot of vaporwave does that, like james ferraro, it's definitely a big tent genre so i think you get stuff that's
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fitting in with stuff like early ariel pink, john maus, and alot of internet outsider art stuff. kind of like if poptimism wasnt shitty lol
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i feel like the big point of both these genres but especially vaporwave is challenging traditional notions of authenticity and "goodness"
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