i feel like the main difference between vwave and rwave is that retrowave is more "specific" in the aesthetic and world that it puts you in
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Apt. This make a better case for rwave as post-ironic and vwave as meta-ironic imo
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so what's the difference between post ironic and meta ironic?
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post-irony muddles sincerity with irony whereas meta-irony is ironic irony ...
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ohhh ok. yeah I would say vaporwave is more post irony. retrowave is a mix of straight up sincerity and meta irony (stuff like kung fury)
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Hmmm, it's that element of sincerity in rwave which give me the impression of the opposite. Vwave seems to lack any sincerity.
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Vaporwave kinds seems entirely ironic and ironic about its irony.
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hmm yeah i feel like alot of vaporwave does that, like james ferraro, it's definitely a big tent genre so i think you get stuff that's
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vaporwave is basically an accessible industrial music
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it doesn't necessarily celebrate consumerism, but explores it in novel ways, often satirically
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whether people enjoy it ironically, un-ironically, or as a meditation on those themes, probably will depend
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dislike the imagery
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vaporwave is definitely post ironic esp as people have reacted against the dismal anticonsumerist narrative that says we're supposed to
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