it just takes values - which are necessarily secular - and paints hierarchy and violence over them
Not really. Your hand waving isn't persuasive. You basically derive morality from magick spells.
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you didn't ask me to 'derive' morality from anything.
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as such, i didn't. i responded to your points.
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"Ethics is secular" is false on many fronts.
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we're not getting anywhere just responding to each other with platitudes
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All I'm saying is you can't ethics w/o conceiving morality.
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Neither God nor the lack thereof are sufficient to derive morality.
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We understand morality as a question of values and of evaluation.
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The problem arises from plurality of values which we understand as subjective in character.
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