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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
This view doesn’t work with fascists, and some agents just plainly aren’t perceptibly rational or self interested in the way we normally think of it.
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Replying to @yungneocon
That's dehumanization, which is an effect of moralistic judgement. I completely disagree with you since static images of ideological boundary do not define individuals, only mask them.
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
First of all, individuals only exist as the outcome of social processes. We can ascribe an ethical value to this individuation—and I do—but it’s not a given thing. Second, pointing out that a person current ideology is danger & vile isn’t dehumanizing lmao.
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Replying to @yungneocon @bAbAHAdAd
Also there’s good research on how to make people NOT be that ideology anymore. And guess what empathy isn’t the way. So even if I conceded your staticness rebuttal, it’d still be non sequitur, bc eliciting that dynamism requires a different modality entirely.
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Replying to @yungneocon @bAbAHAdAd
Again, I am fully on board with perspective taking, or, as your quoted guy puts it “trying to understand how it is people are trying to meet their needs” by understanding their beliefs, info & situation. Yet why this would provide some kind of moral lesson I have no idea.
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Replying to @yungneocon
Moral lesson? The idea is that if we bypass the ideological constructs surrounding human needs and are able to connect on the level of needs by extending compassion rather than by resorting to moralistic judgement, which is only alienating and apt to escalation, conflict resolves
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
No, studies show that using empathy & compassion on oppressors is self defeating, especially when a threat is present. The humanizing thing only works the other way. Oppressed people are compelled to empathize & be compassionate to oppressors it doesn’t help.
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Replying to @yungneocon
The oppressed vs. oppressor narrative is based upon a false dichotomy. The reality is much more complex. I don't know of any legitimate studies which show that actual empathy is self defeating in any sense and I doubt the veracity of any such studies, if they actually exist.
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Replying to @bAbAHAdAd
So the state & capitalism aren’t oppressive? And you’ll just dismiss data out of hand if it contradicts? Bc that’s exactly what I said the selfhood concept requires you to do, so, I mean sure.
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Oppression is more like a fractal than a clearly demarcated line. The idea that capitalism & the state = oppression is backwards. Rather, oppression, that is to say the mode of violence = capitalism & the state in a feedback loop. Like, I mean, that's how capital grows.
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