Because there are/have been cultures without sexism. There have never been cultures without something like prestige, AFAIK.
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W odpowiedzi do to @bradpwyble@tyrell_turing i jeszcze
Is that true? Prestige seems to require a fairly advanced civilisation, no?
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W odpowiedzi do to @neuralreckoning@tyrell_turing i jeszcze
Hard to agree with that. Aren't dog packs basically governed by a form of prestige?
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W odpowiedzi do to @bradpwyble@tyrell_turing i jeszcze
I don't think strength is the same thing as prestige.
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W odpowiedzi do to @neuralreckoning@tyrell_turing i jeszcze
Not being an animal pychologist I can't get into that analogy in depth but I really think you're off base here when it comes to humans. Prestige based valuation has been fundamental to human culture since as far as back as we have records. There's nothing advanced about it.
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W odpowiedzi do to @bradpwyble@tyrell_turing i jeszcze
Do we have written records from civilisations that weren't advanced? I'm just really suspicious about arguments about inevitable human nature. They have a history of being used to justify bad things, and turning out to be wrong.
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W odpowiedzi do to @neuralreckoning@bradpwyble i jeszcze
Forget any question of our evolutionary past... I think we can simply say that prestige seems to be thoroughly embedded in current human behaviour, much more so than sexism or racism, and as noted in other threads, that may serve a purpose.
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W odpowiedzi do to @tyrell_turing@bradpwyble i jeszcze
Yeah but 100 years ago you could have said exactly the same thing about sexism.
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W odpowiedzi do to @neuralreckoning @tyrell_turing i jeszcze
I definitely agree. When were are talking about prestige, what we are really talking about is social hierarchy (synonymous with class). According to marxist theory, tribal hunter-gather societies were classless. The concept of prestige comes up much later in human history.
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W odpowiedzi do to @azhir_io @neuralreckoning i jeszcze
Let me try to be clear about your argument. I presume we agree on skills and accomplishments differing across people and correlating over time. You define prestige as a mapping of both skills and non skill advantages into a single dimension and reject that aspect?
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Yup. Prestige is perceived accomplishments; old latin for illusion. Heavily related to social hierarchy and class. Adding a secondary unmeasurable quality to ones accomplishments that is great than the merit of the work.
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