What data would you collect to answer this question?
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W odpowiedzi do to @analog_ashley @KordingLab i jeszcze
Easy change: Ask for a letter (or at least contact info) from someone the applicant has trained, even informally (e.g., postdoc with a new grad student), when hiring.
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W odpowiedzi do to @prokraustinator @analog_ashley i jeszcze
FWIW renewal and promotion/tenure committees at my uni asked all my former students and trainees for feedback. From UG to PDF... So some places seem to care
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W odpowiedzi do to @GunnarBlohm @prokraustinator i jeszcze
Same here for promotions but of course just asking isn't enough if they overwhelmingly ignore it and follow research output as the main criterion. Difficult to know.
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W odpowiedzi do to @neuralreckoning @prokraustinator i jeszcze
We have fairly strict rules (benefit of unionization) re evaluation. Teaching, service and research are counted equally. Thus student letters are like pubs in a way...
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W odpowiedzi do to @GunnarBlohm @prokraustinator i jeszcze
That's good and bad I guess. "Count equally" means that they are doing some numerical evaluations, which means metrics, which means problems.
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W odpowiedzi do to @neuralreckoning @prokraustinator i jeszcze
No, not numerical. I meant you get a separate eval on each and they're all considered re decision
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W odpowiedzi do to @GunnarBlohm @prokraustinator i jeszcze
Right, but then the people making the final decision can happily ignore everything except the research bit if they choose?
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W odpowiedzi do to @neuralreckoning @prokraustinator i jeszcze
Well in theory yes but that would mean the union rep doesn't do their job and not does the dept head or dean... Lots of control mechanisms...
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W odpowiedzi do to @GunnarBlohm @neuralreckoning i jeszcze
I think you're too confident in the control mechanisms. Rochester, Dartmouth etc have taught us that Universities have potent defense mechanisms to protect faculty even when students speak out.
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Yup, the current control mechanisms are terrible. Universities prioritise reputation and employ techniques such as NDAs to protect it. Research output almost always ends up being the deciding factor, very concerning incentives. I personally don’t know the solution to this.
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