Alex Klontzas on Twitter: "I think the important thing is what you mentioned, "on paper" is all you have to go on so it's fair to question it. Ultimately though, if there is ever a situation where taking a Fort is not the right choice, we will react to that immediately.… https://t.co/KErxKgXUZR"

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Malganyr‏ @Malganyr 7 Nov 2018

Last time i said something on you Was Hammer (and i'm still concerned about the rework). But i feel the same as Mopsio. You want to low snowball effect. I have played all Moba. HotS is the most balanced moba in snowball effect (you did a great job six months ago with xp patchs)

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Malganyr‏ @Malganyr 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @Malganyr @Mopsio @azgaz

Snowball is not a bad thing. Yes it must be balanced. But it is nowadays. If you have 2 level behind, you can comeback. And if you play well with a nice timing, you can comeback. And if you play well before that, it's normal to snowball.

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Alex Klontzas‏ @azgaz 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @Malganyr @Mopsio

Agreed, and that's not realistically changing, we're just trying to better control situations where you get to 3+ level disparity without being able to react because you lost one objective for example and your only option is to soak or wait for the other team to make a mistake.

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Klaas-Jan Boon‏ @epixors 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @azgaz @Malganyr @Mopsio

If you are 3+ levels down you have down more than just lose one objective. It takes significant mistakes for this to happen in a competitive game (the kind of: lets restart the scrim, this should never happen in a real game, useless to practice for)

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Klaas-Jan Boon‏ @epixors 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @epixors @azgaz and

What do you expect will happen if a team starts contesting objectives early, takes fort, loses their wave control because catas and gets frozen out of XP? They already get no structure XP basically and then also lose minion XP because of catas.

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Klaas-Jan Boon‏ @epixors 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @epixors @azgaz and

You don't get ahead by contesting early, you can get ahead by your opponent taking forts and getting themselves frozen out. Unless you get hard siege cheese and no anti-siege, how does your push threaten core until 16-20? You don't have talent leads behind them

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Klaas-Jan Boon‏ @epixors 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @epixors @azgaz and

On paper just looks like it's made to make clown fiesta games better, because people inherently value structures/objectives even if they have no inherent value. They are used to get ahead in XP economy, forts are legit better to have down now for maximizing XP differential.

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Klaas-Jan Boon‏ @epixors 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @epixors @azgaz and

Once you start considering objectives/structures as a vehicle for winning game (killing the core) it gets pretty obvious that until very late game they are not worth going for because it sets you behind if opponent manages their freeze

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Alex Klontzas‏ @azgaz 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @epixors @Malganyr @Mopsio

If they freeze it means they are spending resources to keep that lane in one spot, why aren't you taking XP somewhere else on the map? Why are you letting them do that for free? Here is another example: Volskaya. You get Triglav, take 2 towers + kills and maybe a fort, now 1/2

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Alex Klontzas‏ @azgaz 7 Nov 2018

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you're 11 - 9 with Heroic advantage. Now you control the items and camps, take more towers and get even further ahead so you're 13/10 for next objective + items, other team doesn't want to fight, you get another Triglav, kill more structures and get maintain 3+ levels forever 2/2

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Alex Klontzas‏ @azgaz 7 Nov 2018

Replying to @azgaz @epixors and

I think the important thing is what you mentioned, "on paper" is all you have to go on so it's fair to question it. Ultimately though, if there is ever a situation where taking a Fort is not the right choice, we will react to that immediately.

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1. Drinknrun152 ‏ @drinknrun152 7 Nov 2018
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  Obviously it'll actually need to be played to see for sure, but when most of the top macro minds in the game are all coming to the same conclusions on paper I hope you guys have prepared if that's how it actually plays out.
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