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    1.  🔎Julia Evans 🔍‏ @b0rk Feb 5

      increasingly really feel like dynamic programming languages are underserved by existing production profiling/tracing tools

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    2.  🔎Julia Evans 🔍‏ @b0rk Feb 5

      there's so much investment in JVM/C/Go tooling (which is awesome!!) and the tools we have for ruby/Python etc are so much less powerful

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    3. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Feb 5
      Replying to @b0rk

      It's interesting to look back ~30 years to a time when this was inverted: the dynamic languages Lisp and Smalltalk had amazing tooling and the static languages less so. Ruby/Python took the Lisp/Smalltalk semantics but left the ecosystem on the floor.

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    4. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Feb 5
      Replying to @avibryant @b0rk

      Whereas Java, in particular, took the Smalltalk implementation and tooling (see: Self/Strongtalk evolving into Hotspot & Visual Age Smalltalk evolving into Eclipse), but dropped all the dynamism. And from where I stand now, of the two, that was the better choice.

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    5.  🔎Julia Evans 🔍‏ @b0rk Feb 5
      Replying to @avibryant

      that's fascinating! do you think it's just because of the interests of the people who started those language, or like there were larger market forces?

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      Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Feb 6
      Replying to @b0rk

      My guess would be something like: the more recent successful dynamic languages were successful in part because of the success of Linux and their ability to ride that wave by meeting the expectation of unix “scripting languages”;

      4:05 PM - 6 Feb 2018 from Mililani Mauka, HI
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        2. don’t let me down, bruce‏ @noah_adams Feb 6
          Replying to @avibryant @b0rk

          I’d be interested where you feel JS sits in that pile. It has similarish semantics to Python and Ruby, but also a well funded battle to make particular implementations fast and of course, an independently organized push over into the land of “unix scripting languages”

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        3.  🔎Julia Evans 🔍‏ @b0rk Feb 6
          Replying to @noah_adams @avibryant

          chrome/firefox developer tools get a lot of investment and my impression is tools for frontend js are quite good. i don't know much about node.js

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        4. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Feb 6
          Replying to @b0rk @noah_adams

          I’d agree that JS is exceptional. Amusingly (but probably not critically) V8’s implementation lineage in terms of tech and people is from Smalltalk via Java, rather than from the scripting language world.

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        5. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Feb 6
          Replying to @avibryant @b0rk @noah_adams

          And the browser encourages the kind of self-hosted environment that made Lisp and Smalltalk so fun; @observablehq is the most recent example.

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        2. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Feb 6
          Replying to @avibryant @b0rk

          but those expectations don’t include, and might even include design constraints that run counter to, advanced developer tooling and high-performance implementations.

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        3. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Feb 6
          Replying to @avibryant @b0rk

          If you give up on being able to slap a #! at the top of your source file, you unlock some design space you can use to prioritize tooling instead.

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