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    1. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @KentBeck @slava_pestov

      I wonder. In Scala, I stub out method implementations with ??? all the time (which type checks to whatever it needs to). That lets me compile and run the rest. What I *can't* do yet in Scala is get a debugger/editor on the stack that hits the ???, write the method, and proceed...

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    2. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @avibryant @KentBeck @slava_pestov

      Surely this is where @gkossakowski says we could do this with intellij

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Joe Boyd‏ @sluicing 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @posco @avibryant and

      hah! yeah this takes 2 seconds in IntelliJ. (other things take, um, way longer than 2 seconds so IntelliJ can be a bit of a mixed bag but it's not like Emacs isn't also already running)

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @sluicing @posco and

      So, just to make sure: I can implement a method as ???, run an app that calls that method; when I hit the NotImplementedError IntelliJ will break me into a debugger, where I can edit the source to now include an implementation of the method,

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @avibryant @sluicing and

      and I can ask IntelliJ's debugger to try again from the call-site (same stack as before except for the stubbed-out method), and it'll keep running the same execution of the program as if the implementation had always been there?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Joe Boyd‏ @sluicing 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @avibryant @posco and

      hrm.... that I'm not sure of - creating new method(s) with a stub implementation is super easy - pausing the debugger on the NotImplementedError is straight-forward - updating / continuing with new code I'm less sure of; that's /sometimes/ possible but I've not done it much.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @sluicing @posco and

      Ok, yeah. It's that last item - being able to do it reliably, or even as the main way you write code - that is, for me, the defining Smalltalk experience.

      1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
    8. Kent Beck‏Verified account @KentBeck 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @avibryant @sluicing and

      And then you don't like IntelliJ and you hit break and go up the stack and fix the editor

      1 reply 3 retweets 18 likes
    9. Peter Seibel‏ @peterseibel 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @KentBeck @avibryant and

      And then you remember your actually on a Lisp Machine and drop into the low level debugger and fix the OS.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    10. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @peterseibel @KentBeck and

      Peter, I’d love over a beer sometime to hear about the alternate world where Lisp machines lead to Lisp being the dominate language. Many Lisp ideas caught on. Why not Lisp?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @posco @peterseibel and

      I consider JS a weird-looking Lisp, in which case it did win.

      10:49 PM - 13 Dec 2017 from Capital G, British Columbia
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        2. Peter Seibel‏ @peterseibel 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @avibryant @posco and

          In primordial times there were Lisp, Fortran, and assembly. Everything around today is either a weird looking Lisp or a weird looking assembly.

          1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
        3. Jake Mannix‏ @pbrane 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @peterseibel @avibryant and

          (... and actual Fortran libraries, still being called by layers upon layers of wrappers)

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Peter Seibel‏ @peterseibel 14 Dec 2017
          Replying to @pbrane @avibryant and

          True dat.

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        1.  📶‏ @coreload 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @avibryant @posco and

          I'd rather have lost.

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