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    1. Slava Pestov‏ @slava_pestov 13 Dec 2017

      Slava Pestov Retweeted Just Jaden | Nothing

      What I want to see is a statically typed language with an interactive environment in the spirit of Smalltalk or Selfhttps://twitter.com/jadengeller/status/941109606641569793 …

      Slava Pestov added,

      Just Jaden | Nothing @JadenGeller
      I found a paper that talks about the disadvantages of static typing. I have some thoughts. Section 3 of http://tratt.net/laurie/research/pubs/html/tratt__dynamically_typed_languages/ …
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    2. Kent Beck‏Verified account @KentBeck 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @slava_pestov

      Oxymoron. The spirit of Smalltalk is to learn from running a partially completed program. If I have to say things about types that I haven’t yet discovered I can’t explore as freely.

      2 replies 16 retweets 32 likes
    3. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @KentBeck @slava_pestov

      I wonder. In Scala, I stub out method implementations with ??? all the time (which type checks to whatever it needs to). That lets me compile and run the rest. What I *can't* do yet in Scala is get a debugger/editor on the stack that hits the ???, write the method, and proceed...

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @avibryant @KentBeck @slava_pestov

      Surely this is where @gkossakowski says we could do this with intellij

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Joe Boyd‏ @sluicing 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @posco @avibryant and

      hah! yeah this takes 2 seconds in IntelliJ. (other things take, um, way longer than 2 seconds so IntelliJ can be a bit of a mixed bag but it's not like Emacs isn't also already running)

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
      Replying to @sluicing @posco and

      So, just to make sure: I can implement a method as ???, run an app that calls that method; when I hit the NotImplementedError IntelliJ will break me into a debugger, where I can edit the source to now include an implementation of the method,

      9:32 PM - 13 Dec 2017
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        2. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @avibryant @sluicing and

          and I can ask IntelliJ's debugger to try again from the call-site (same stack as before except for the stubbed-out method), and it'll keep running the same execution of the program as if the implementation had always been there?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Joe Boyd‏ @sluicing 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @avibryant @posco and

          hrm.... that I'm not sure of - creating new method(s) with a stub implementation is super easy - pausing the debugger on the NotImplementedError is straight-forward - updating / continuing with new code I'm less sure of; that's /sometimes/ possible but I've not done it much.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @sluicing @posco and

          Ok, yeah. It's that last item - being able to do it reliably, or even as the main way you write code - that is, for me, the defining Smalltalk experience.

          1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
        5. Kent Beck‏Verified account @KentBeck 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @avibryant @sluicing and

          And then you don't like IntelliJ and you hit break and go up the stack and fix the editor

          1 reply 3 retweets 18 likes
        6. Peter Seibel‏ @peterseibel 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @KentBeck @avibryant and

          And then you remember your actually on a Lisp Machine and drop into the low level debugger and fix the OS.

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        7. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @peterseibel @KentBeck and

          Peter, I’d love over a beer sometime to hear about the alternate world where Lisp machines lead to Lisp being the dominate language. Many Lisp ideas caught on. Why not Lisp?

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        8. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @posco @peterseibel and

          I consider JS a weird-looking Lisp, in which case it did win.

          2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
        9. Peter Seibel‏ @peterseibel 13 Dec 2017
          Replying to @avibryant @posco and

          In primordial times there were Lisp, Fortran, and assembly. Everything around today is either a weird looking Lisp or a weird looking assembly.

          1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
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