@boulderDanH @chadfowler why would it?
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Replying to @bscofield
@bscofield@chadfowler isn't a major purpose for logging to view runtime events? Just like debuggers, and the primary reason to ssh?3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @boulderdanh
@boulderDanH@chadfowler the difference is: logging (and graphs) represent intentional preparation to debug. The coder has spent time …1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @bscofield
@bscofield@chadfowler that's a good distinction. I see where you're going with the have to. And youre right that those are last resorts.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @boulderdanh
@bscofield@chadfowler there is value in knowing how to use those tools though: strace, gdb, tcpdump, etc3 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @boulderdanh
@boulderDanH@chadfowler like knowledge on how to stop a nuclear reactor from an in-progress meltdown.3 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @bscofield
@bscofield@boulderdanh like jumping straight into the source code of a framework rather than flailing around in docs.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @chadfowler
@chadfowler@boulderdanh I still think that "have to" is vital. If you *can't understand* the framework w/o diving into the code, that's bad2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @bscofield
@bscofield@chadfowler if we had good enough code and browsers, we wouldn't need framework docs. Good enough debuggers, wouldn't need logs.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @avibryant
@avibryant@chadfowler the direct tools only operate in real-time, though. logs et al can show the past (and help prevent recurrence)1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
@bscofield @chadfowler only being able to operate in real time is one of their current failures. But see, eg, http://chrononsystems.com/
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