@bscofield ya
@bscofield @chadfowler if we had good enough code and browsers, we wouldn't need framework docs. Good enough debuggers, wouldn't need logs.
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@avibryant@chadfowler the direct tools only operate in real-time, though. logs et al can show the past (and help prevent recurrence) -
@bscofield@chadfowler only being able to operate in real time is one of their current failures. But see, eg, http://chrononsystems.com/
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@avibryant@chadfowler in general, I'd prefer systems that require less invasion to understand/debug than those that require more -
@bscofield@chadfowler and yet those same tools give you no help when you do hit a wall of needing to understand more. -
@avibryant@chadfowler of course - but isn't the same true of debuggers et al? there's always the possibility of a lower-level failure
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