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    Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Sep 24

    Oof. What a perfect snapshot of the mutual frustration between the more academic-oriented and more open-source-oriented (for lack of a better term) sides of the software research community. (FWIW, I greatly appreciate both Ian's and Jeremy's work).pic.twitter.com/ZpPzdTDOJd

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      2. Ian Goodfellow‏ @goodfellow_ian Sep 24
        Replying to @avibryant

        FWIW I'm not the one who brought up "citing it". Linking to it is not the same thing as "citing it"

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      3. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Sep 24
        Replying to @goodfellow_ian

        As a lay observer, I understood @jeremyphoward's "citing" to just mean "referenced as an authority", which could indeed be just a link. I think you're using it in the narrower sense that requires the reference to made by something following the conventions of an academic paper?

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      4. Avi Bryant‏ @avibryant Sep 24
        Replying to @avibryant @goodfellow_ian @jeremyphoward

        If so, I think this is maybe a microcosm of the broader talking-past-each-other effect I was wanting to highlight. (But I could also be misunderstanding one or both of you).

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      5. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Sep 24
        Replying to @avibryant @goodfellow_ian

        I think you are understanding perfectly.

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      2. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Sep 24
        Replying to @avibryant

        I greatly appreciate @goodfellow_ian's work too, and recommend his book and papers a number of times in our course, for the record :) However the academic status quo has suited a only tiny percentage of people, who now control and perpetuate it, and I'd like to see much changed

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      3. Ian Goodfellow‏ @goodfellow_ian Sep 24
        Replying to @jeremyphoward @avibryant

        Do you actually recommend my book? Your intro mentions it only to criticize it: "The deep learning book by Ian Goodfellow et al has similar issues." http://www.fast.ai/2016/10/08/course-background/ … It's OK if you don't want to recommend it, but don't criticize it and then claim you've recommended it

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      4. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Sep 24
        Replying to @goodfellow_ian @avibryant

        We said it is not for "practical deep learning coding". Don't you agree? But I recommend it frequently for other things. My students even organized a book club for your book immediately after part 2 finished. You came to it and presented.

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      5. Ian Goodfellow‏ @goodfellow_ian Sep 24
        Replying to @jeremyphoward @avibryant

        I agree the book isn't about coding, but that seems like dodging the question of whether your course recommends it. Your course says what it's not for. Does your course say what it's for?

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      6. Amjad Twalo‏ @amjad_t Sep 24
        Replying to @goodfellow_ian @jeremyphoward @avibryant

        A couple of times @jeremyphoward recommended the book for the http://fast.ai  course. I finished the course , and @goodfellow_ian's book is sitting well used on the shelf in front of me, so reading this conversation is a bit disheartening.pic.twitter.com/hZRnwjEsfK

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      1. Kevin Boyd‏ @Beryllium9 Sep 24
        Replying to @avibryant

        They’re good hyperlinks, Ion.

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      1. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 25
        Replying to @avibryant

        So can you have a browser add-on that extracts links and adds them to the bottom of the page in whatever citation style you prefer. Yes, yes you could, if you wrote one or paid for it to be done. Then you just print to pdf and everyone is happy. Submit to archive,org for + points

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      1. Paul Pajo #Insulin4All {#HODL}‏ @pageman Sep 24
        Replying to @avibryant

        Haven't seen this format in a lot of academic-oriented sites but this one gives a prescribed attribution https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/30002.6.shtml … - Su, Francis E., et al. "Medical Tests and Bayes' Theorem." Math Fun Facts. <http://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts >

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