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    1. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 5
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      ALL I WANTED WAS RAILS NEW: A 50-step saga in which I have two things: 1. an idea for an web app 2. a laptop that hasn't seen rails development since 2016 >_<pic.twitter.com/4L2fNi4Q2c

      Steps 1-20 of a very long saga of getting the latest ruby and rails. First iterm has to update. Then I can't remember what ruby version manager I was using. Then I don't know what version of ruby I need. THEN I don't know what version of ruby works with the latest rails. Then I get a mysterious readline error when I finally figure out all those things...
      Steps 21-39 of a very long saga of installing the right ruby and rails to make a new app. I try exporting things and passing options to rvm to compile with. I try updating brew. Everything's broken!! In desperation I google the error message and find a github issue from 2016 that tells to brew update bash. Seriously?? My shell is out of date?? Ok, I'm desperate, I'll try it. Then I try installing ruby again...
      Steps 40-49 in which I finally find some success! Ruby installs! But now how to I get Rails? Gem install? bundler? gemsets? no idea. Let's just try the basic - gem install rails. It installs 38 gems. Yep, sounds about right. "rails new" finally works...just as I run out of energy for the night. :(
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    2. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 5
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      Just to short-circuit a certain type of reply: YES, I clearly should have googled the error message sooner🙄

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    3. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 5
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      Also this is a great example of the "idiot-genius roller coaster" of software development that I first heard about from @KentBeck - there's the trough of despair, "why can't I get something simple like this working" and then the crest of VICTORY, "OMG I AM SO AMAAAAAZING"

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    4. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 5
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      Both are illusions 😅

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    5. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 5
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      My point here is NOT “Rails is bad” - most frameworks have this upgrade problem. My point is that we put a significant complexity burden onto app developers to understand their OS - which has no redeeming value except making those of us who figure it out feel superior.

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    6. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 5
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      How might we enable app developers to to focus their attention on the app, rather than the environment?

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    7. Avdi Grimm‏ @avdi May 6
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      Replying to @sarahmei

      Something that might actually help is if we had officially blessed, up to date STATICALLY LINKED binaries for the major platforms. Both Ruby itself AND all gems with native extensions. But that's a huge ecosystem shift.

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    8. David Copeland‏ @davetron5000 May 6
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      I still can’t get over that the OS that most Rubyists use routinely cannot cleanly build Ruby

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    9. David Brady‏ @dbrady May 6
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      And, conversely, the OS that most Rubyists take a regular dump on has the One Click Installer: https://rubyinstaller.org/  HAHAHA SCREW YOU WINDOWS DORKS. Oh. Oh wait. You're not listening because you're too busy working on actual work

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    10. Avdi Grimm‏ @avdi May 6
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      Replying to @dbrady @davetron5000 @sarahmei

      I wish it was that easy. Unfortunately the one-click can't account for the fact that having a set of gems that are all currently working on Windows (it's amazing the ways people break this) is like having holes line up in 32 different slices of swiss cheese.

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      Avdi Grimm‏ @avdi May 6
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      Replying to @avdi @dbrady and

      I recently went through a lengthy period of determining if it was truly viable to do native Windows Rails dev, and came to the conclusion that WSL is the only way to go. Maintainers re-break their gems/tools on windows at an astonishing rate.

      6:56 AM - 6 May 2019
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        1. Carsten Dreesbach‏ @HerbCSO May 6
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          Replying to @avdi @dbrady and

          Is that due to not enough folks running CI on Windows for their gems, do you think?

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        2. Avdi Grimm‏ @avdi May 6
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          Replying to @HerbCSO @dbrady and

          s/not enough/anyone/

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        3. Carsten Dreesbach‏ @HerbCSO May 6
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          Replying to @avdi @dbrady and

          Yikes! Despite Travis CI offering Windows?

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