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    Jane McGonigal‏Verified account @avantgame 7 Dec 2017

    The World Might Be Better Off Without College for Everyonehttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/whats-college-good-for/546590/?utm_source=twb …

    7:03 PM - 7 Dec 2017 from Oakland, CA
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      2. Tom Peters‏Verified account @tom_peters 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        This article is sickening (at least the bit before I threw my iPad across the room). College as trade school misses, say, the 1st 90% of the reason for education. I.e. to be an educated member of a society that aims for betterment over time.

        9 replies 18 retweets 48 likes
      3. Alan Earnshaw‏ @acearnshaw 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @tom_peters @avantgame

        Another purpose of college is to teach us how to think and, more especially, to think critically. Although I studied business, I appreciate the liberal arts for the way they produce people who can read, write, analyze, and speak, skills that are useful everywhere.

        4 replies 13 retweets 41 likes
      4. Rog Woodend‏ @Badlands_Davy 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @acearnshaw @tom_peters @avantgame

        Totally agree great points

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      2. Dave Hogg‏Verified account @stareagle 7 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        There are a lot of good points there. I had college courses that helped me a lot with my life, but I had more that were utterly useless.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Jane McGonigal‏Verified account @avantgame 7 Dec 2017
        Replying to @stareagle

        And so many people suffer crippling debt

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      4. Dave Hogg‏Verified account @stareagle 7 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        I was lucky enough to get my degree without any debt. @GunterRae wasn't nearly as lucky.

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      2. Tom Peters‏Verified account @tom_peters 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        I have 4 trade school degrees from 2 great universities, Cornell & Stanford. If only I had ventured beyond those schools' (engineering, biz) prison walls and spent time on the arts quad! I decry the absence of a liberal education.

        4 replies 13 retweets 30 likes
      3. Tom Gimbel‏ @TomGimbel 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @tom_peters @avantgame

        I believe he meant plumbing and auto repair trade schools

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      4. Tom Peters‏Verified account @tom_peters 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @TomGimbel @avantgame

        Different from bridgebuilding and double entry bookkeeping????

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      2. Tom Peters‏Verified account @tom_peters 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        What hole did this guy crawl out of? As bad an article as I have skimmed in recent memory.

        2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
      3. Michael Kohlman‏ @NoRomBasic 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @tom_peters @avantgame

        Tom. I so very rarely disagree with you, but respectfully as the CIO of a failed Liberal Arts school I see much in this article that is dead on. How and Why we Teach is Broken and Higher Ed is heading for an Extinction Level Event. How Do We Fix It?

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      1. Tom Peters‏Verified account @tom_peters 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        Just visited Oxford's Said business school. Dean Peter Tufano is doing great job on diversity (eg lots of African students) and is working overtime to fully integrate b-school into Oxford's mainstream. Doing the lord's work as far as I'm concerned.

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      1. Tom Peters‏Verified account @tom_peters 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        I think votech schools and community colleges deserve 10X (100X?) more praise and attention than we give them. But the 4-year stint in the academy, one hopes, not intended to be votech on steroids.

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      1. Tom Peters‏Verified account @tom_peters 9 Dec 2017
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        The only degree to which I will cut this guy some slack is that he is apparently an economist. I never expect much from that tribe :-)

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      2. PopMythology.com‏ @PopMythology 8 Dec 2017
        Replying to @avantgame

        A complex matter, naturally, w/ many facets, but in general I've come to largely agree that - at least in certain ways - both college & grad school end up not being worth the cost for many ppl in big picture terms. Life skills, which colleges don't teach, have helped me WAY more!

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      3. Denisse Takes‏ @dtakes23 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @PopMythology @avantgame

        Unfortunately it comes down to a matter of - can you actually get a job without a degree? It depends on the industry.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. PopMythology.com‏ @PopMythology 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @dtakes23 @avantgame

        It does. You're 100% right. It's hard to do justice to the complexity of any topic in a couple of tweets. I'm just speaking from personal experience and seeing the experience of friends paralyzed by debt w/o good enough jobs to comfortably handle that debt.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Denisse Takes‏ @dtakes23 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @PopMythology @avantgame

        Oh for sure, a lot of people who end up with a degree end up starting with entry level jobs versus the position they expected to get. And the low pay rate of the position only leaves them struggling to pay for their loans.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Denisse Takes‏ @dtakes23 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @dtakes23 @PopMythology @avantgame

        It’s only going to get worse for everyone with this new tax plan

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. PopMythology.com‏ @PopMythology 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @dtakes23 @avantgame

        Seriously, it's awful.... ☹️

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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