@avantgame When losing gives you the best chance of winning the character of the player is not at stake so much as the character of the game
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@geek_at_large@avantgame to rewrite the quote 'don't hate they player, make the game better'.
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@avantgame I think it is fair to say that games have thrived on emergent behaviors while sports, & their biz models, have tried to kill themThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame It shows how you can "game" a "sport." Also see different definition of "sportsmanship" vs "gamesmanship." - 1 more reply
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@avantgame I described them as meta-gaming, which doesn't seem like a sporting thing. Have you ever heard of meta-sporting? :)Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame well, underhand legalities are referred to as 'gaming'. It wasn't considered 'sporting' for Chapell to bowl underhandThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame sports are competitive among players, when games follow suit I think you start seeing the same impulse to enforce fairness/ethicsThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame How can you penalize the players if it's to their advantage to lose (or tie)? Bad tournament/playoff rules shouldn't lead to ban.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame I'd say no. Most gamers look down on people who win by cheating or exploiting loopholesThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame I think so. Most sports have an unwritten set of rules that expand beyond the rules. Cycling for example has many.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame even e-sports you use every advantage you can, exploit the engine. These player should be commended for a deeper understanding!Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame It was poor form to exploit. However, the rules were ripe for abuse and they were warned. Fix your bugs when they're reported!Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame the real question for me is does cheating in a game invalidate its goals? Not necessarily as winning is its own end (3/3)Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame Depends on the sport. Hockey "enforcers", for example. Or the endemic cheating in soccer.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame @darrentkong Sports-competitive/institutionalized/rewards at stake. Games-casual/focus=fun. Change aspects? So will imperativesThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame thus with sport, cheating is discouraged as it disrupts the essential reality of what it means to win. Winning a game is fun(2/3)Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@avantgame the difference between sport and game relates to the meaning of winning in each. There is a status upgrade to winning sport.(1/2)Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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