@Meaningness is Tantra monist? (I'm specifically thinking of Nyingma Vajrayana and Tantric Shaivism) It seems like a lot of your concepts of the complete stance stem from Tantra but as I'm learning about it it seems pretty monist to me...
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Replying to @autotrnslucence
Well spotted! It does tend in that direction. Some of the Hindu versions are explicitly so I think (but I don’t know much about them and may be mistaken). Buddhist versions are explicitly not, but some get dangerously close.
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Replying to @Meaningness
They also tend to eternalism. Explicitly, again, in the Hindu case, and in the Buddhist case explicitly denied. But Buddhist tantra skates awfully close at times.
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Are there traditions that squarely point at a complete stance without veering towards monism/eternalism etc?
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Replying to @autotrnslucence
Well, this is controversial within Buddhism. Various versions say other versions veer into one of the Four Extremes.
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Replying to @Meaningness
Dzogchen gives, I think, the best analysis of the problem space. Some of its texts come across as monist and eternalist, however. Otoh, they do also say “you could misread this as monist eternalism, but we’re just using metaphorical language.”
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There’s a strong tendency to dualistic nihilism in Madhyamaka, which was the Other Leading Brand Dzogchen mainly compared itself to. So some Dzogchen texts tend to overcorrect, rhetorically.
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Replying to @Meaningness
None of this stuff is written up clearly in any one place, unfortunately. I’m trying to do that, drawing on lots of different, obscure sources.
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I summarized some of the historical difficulties inhttps://approachingaro.org/aro-gter-emptiness …
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If you want to read basics of Dzogchen, I recommend three books https://vividness.live/2015/12/01/dzogchen-a-trackless-path-ken-mcleod-review/ … (roaring silence, self-perfected state, trackless path)
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Sweet, thankyou! Haven't gotten into understanding Dzogchen versus other Nyingma Buddhism yet, but this seems like a great set of resources to start :)
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