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Crypto PM. Salon over soapbox. Maybe a metarationalist or something. How do we improve large-scale human collaboration?

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    Jessica Watson Miller‏ @autotrnslucence Feb 25

    @Meaningness is Tantra monist? (I'm specifically thinking of Nyingma Vajrayana and Tantric Shaivism) It seems like a lot of your concepts of the complete stance stem from Tantra but as I'm learning about it it seems pretty monist to me...

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      2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Feb 25
        Replying to @autotrnslucence

        Well spotted! It does tend in that direction. Some of the Hindu versions are explicitly so I think (but I don’t know much about them and may be mistaken). Buddhist versions are explicitly not, but some get dangerously close.

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      3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Feb 25
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        They also tend to eternalism. Explicitly, again, in the Hindu case, and in the Buddhist case explicitly denied. But Buddhist tantra skates awfully close at times.

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      4. Jessica Watson Miller‏ @autotrnslucence Feb 26
        Replying to @Meaningness

        Are there traditions that squarely point at a complete stance without veering towards monism/eternalism etc?

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      5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Feb 26
        Replying to @autotrnslucence

        Well, this is controversial within Buddhism. Various versions say other versions veer into one of the Four Extremes.

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      6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Feb 26
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        Dzogchen gives, I think, the best analysis of the problem space. Some of its texts come across as monist and eternalist, however. Otoh, they do also say “you could misread this as monist eternalism, but we’re just using metaphorical language.”

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      7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Feb 26
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        There’s a strong tendency to dualistic nihilism in Madhyamaka, which was the Other Leading Brand Dzogchen mainly compared itself to. So some Dzogchen texts tend to overcorrect, rhetorically.

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      8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Feb 26
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        None of this stuff is written up clearly in any one place, unfortunately. I’m trying to do that, drawing on lots of different, obscure sources.

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      9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Feb 26
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        I summarized some of the historical difficulties inhttps://approachingaro.org/aro-gter-emptiness …

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