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Crypto PM. Salon over soapbox. Maybe a metarationalist or something. How do we improve large-scale human collaboration?

San Francisco, USA
autotranslucence.wordpress.com
Joined January 2017

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    1. Toby‏ @tobyshorin Jul 18

      Maybe manufactured scarcity can work if everyone agrees to maintain the value of the ritual regardless of the ubiquity of its components

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    2. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jul 18
      Replying to @tobyshorin

      Why do you think other forms of scarcity (social, meaning, opportunity, etc) are less compelling for ritual design than pure material scarcity?

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    3. Toby‏ @tobyshorin Jul 18
      Replying to @simpolism

      For one, I see meaning as an output of ritual not its input (really it's a more complex dynamic but that's a simple way to describe how I think about it). But my comments don't just apply to abundance of objects; I'm not sure social environments are scarce either (always online)

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    4. Toby‏ @tobyshorin Jul 18
      Replying to @tobyshorin @simpolism

      When I say we live in a society of abundance I don't just mean material goods but the apparent abundance of other qualities as well. It's not even rare to get radicalized these days!

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    5. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jul 18
      Replying to @tobyshorin

      I see social scarcity as a lack of deep/intimate social interaction, rather than lack of any interaction (c.f. atomization). Similarly, I see contemporary "scarcity" in general as being primarily phenomenological (scarcity of certain desired types of experiences or feelings).

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    6. Toby‏ @tobyshorin Jul 18
      Replying to @simpolism

      oh boy this is really making me excavate some assumptions I have about how meaning works. Gonna have to think this through and get back to you in a bit

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    7. Toby‏ @tobyshorin Jul 18
      Replying to @tobyshorin @simpolism

      Ritual and meaning are a feedback loop, but the predominant outcome of ritual is the production of meaning. Depth and intimacy are also enhanced through ritual, although the effectiveness of a ritual will be heightened if strong social bonds are already present.

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    8. Toby‏ @tobyshorin Jul 18
      Replying to @tobyshorin @simpolism

      What I'm trying to say is that solving the "scarcity" of certain types of feeling states is the whole point of ritual. Depth/intimacy can be a precondition for a successful ritual, but not a designable input such as an object, aesthetic, or activity

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    9. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jul 18
      Replying to @tobyshorin

      Taking it further, maybe: a ritual is a context-dependent set of actions that converts scarce physical resources (incl. time/energy) into experience, including but not limited to the experience of "meaning" (you can have rituals w other outputs, e.g. mindfulness calms you down).

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    10. Toby‏ @tobyshorin Jul 18
      Replying to @simpolism

      just read @cesifoti's Why Information Grows and I'm pretty sure that we can combine it with this perspective to outline a fully blown newtonian political economy of meaning

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      Jessica Watson Miller‏ @autotrnslucence Jul 18
      Replying to @tobyshorin @simpolism @cesifoti

      Seems like another recommendation for this book! Has kept coming up.

      11:34 AM - 18 Jul 2018
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