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    Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 15 Dec 2012

    Would you rather have 10 0-day, or 10,000 vulns that were technically public, but no VDB or vuln scanner knew about? Justify your answer.

    11:35 PM - 15 Dec 2012
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      2. Frank Breedijk RCX‏ @seccubus 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg only need to worry about 0-day if I don't have the other kind. At least I can theoretically patch the non-0 days or alt contrl

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @seccubus

        @seccubus Theoretically you can. Reality, you can't know when a vuln lib is used in something you have deployed, and don't realize.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Frank Breedijk RCX‏ @seccubus 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg just read up on your trail with Dan. Dealing with unknown unknows requires resilliancy iso security.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @seccubus

        @seccubus 10 oday = unknown unknowns. how about the 10k "unknown knowns" =)

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Frank Breedijk RCX‏ @seccubus 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg 1 hole can sink a ship, but plenty os ships have holes and cross the ocean.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      7. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @seccubus

        @seccubus you think that of the 10k holes, a few aren't as big as the 'sink' ones?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Frank Breedijk RCX‏ @seccubus 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg that why I believe in solutions like #bromium have the future, and av is losing the race.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @seccubus

        @seccubus these are classic vulns, not malware/virus. you wouldn't expect AV to catch any of them.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Gabe The Engineer‏ @gdbassett 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg What is the vendor response to the 10,000 known vulns? Patch available?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @gdbassett

        @gdbassett Not 10k vulns in *one* vendor. Say 10k vulns in 9k vendors for sake of argument.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Gabe The Engineer‏ @gdbassett 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg then vendors' responses. 0'days are known security bypass. known vulns are 0'days that are less likely to work.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Gabe The Engineer‏ @gdbassett 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @gdbassett

        @gdbassett @attritionorg If vendors have issued patches, that decreases likelihood of vulns working further. being in vuln scanners ...

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @gdbassett

        @gdbassett Now you get to one root of the question. Patch exists, but nothing detects it... do companies actually patch?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Gabe The Engineer‏ @gdbassett 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg it's a question of their patch/config mgmt process. Assuming single target, highly target dependent.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      8. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @gdbassett

        @gdbassett Exactly. But safe to assume that maybe half get patch management right, if not less, right?

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. End of conversation
      1. New conversation
      2. ChrisJohnRiley  🌐‏ @ChrisJohnRiley 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg As an outlier, I think the 0days would be preferable if in hard to update systems (e.g. Mainframe, firmware, protocols)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @ChrisJohnRiley

        @ChrisJohnRiley Disagree. Hard to update = the known issues hard to update (aka the 'forever day' bugs). 0day doesn't matter to those.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. ChrisJohnRiley  🌐‏ @ChrisJohnRiley 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg That's a conversation to have over alcohol I think… 140 chars just aren't enough (as usual)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 16 Dec 2012
        Replying to @ChrisJohnRiley

        @ChrisJohnRiley agree, pencil me in!

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      6. End of conversation
      1. New conversation
      2. caseyjohnellis‏Verified account @caseyjohnellis 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg prob 10 0-day. demands a more focused approach to attack (vs spray and pray)

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @caseyjohnellis

        @caseyjohnellis Even when the 0day is detected and 100 news articles result, making subsequent use that much more difficult?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. caseyjohnellis‏Verified account @caseyjohnellis 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg ahh... if you're going to introduce new variables to the question then I'm going to default to "it depends" :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Sciuridae Hero‏ @attritionorg 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @caseyjohnellis

        @caseyjohnellis I've clarified some points (in regular tweet, not reply). That change the answer?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. caseyjohnellis‏Verified account @caseyjohnellis 15 Dec 2012
        Replying to @attritionorg

        @attritionorg yeh based on your clarification the 10k are as good as 0-day so yeh, change and lock in the 10k eddie

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. End of conversation

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