In the world of security, things have been getting *much* worse, much faster the last 12 months. Time to admit you are in it for the money.
@ygjb Uh, that hasn't happened the last 20 years. Why do you think that will happen in the next 20?
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@attritionorg Because all of the young people I speak to actually care about it (even if we don't agree with their choices, they do care) -
@ygjb the young people 20 years ago, you think they didn't care? (they did) -
@attritionorg Yep, and some went on to be bankers, and others created Mozilla, EFF, etc. -
@ygjb bankers = money. Mozilla = multi-million dollar company. EFF = fighting a losing battle (and paid well). Next argument? -
@attritionorg EFF, Mozilla, and other orgs are trying to make things better. Better to try and fail than not try at all. -
@ygjb Some have been trying as long as, or longer than those, didn't scratch the surface. You are slowly seeing the point here =) -
@attritionorg People have been trying to solve phys sec since the first time someone wanted what another had. Don't give up so easy ;) -
@ygjb GREAT example! That shows us that the last *500 years* have gotten us nowhere, and current lock companies are a spitting image!
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@attritionorg Currently about social privacy and if their phones or computers or games are safe, they will care more as they mature -
@ygjb 20 years ago it was a LOT easier to achieve security, and no one did. it's 1000x harder now. why do you think it will happen? -
@attritionorg practical answer: because the risk is higher; philisophical: because the future of technology requires it. -
@ygjb that answer was 100% the same 20 years ago. next argument? -
@attritionorg I am a well paid optimist who is willing to lose trying to do the right thing, not sure I have anything else to add ;) -
@ygjb I'm arguing, it is lost. Not only lost, but the current security model has *definitively* lost. -
@attritionorg Sure, but does that mean we keep trying to make things better? How will we figure it out if we stop trying new things? -
@ygjb Show me a "new thing" in security the last 10 years. I mean, truly new. No variations on old ideas. - 3 more replies
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