Yes, Snowden's choice of friends will inevitably setback/harm the cause he claims as his in the US. That is a political inevitability.
@bungdan stayed & shared Manning's fate? What's the running definition of a thuggish regime? (I certainly don't disageee that Russia is one)
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@asteris Venezuela. His fate would not have been Mannings, since he is not a soldier. For sure a long stretch in jail. The thing is... -
@bungdan how is Manning's fate justified b/c he's a soldier, under any non-thuggish definition of prisoner rights? -
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@asteris you will search long and unfruitfully in an effort to find me suggesting manning's long stretch in solitary is defensible. -
@bungdan I didn't even suggest you'd defend it, Dan, I know your views. But I am suggesting that civil disobedience in the US is unfeasible -
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@asteris No, it's perfectly feasible. Manning's treatment owed to his belonging to military. Chances Snowden would have got that? Zero. -
@bungdan so only US military is thuggish, whereas DoJ, for instance, is civil? How does that account for treatment of other whistleblowers? -
@asteris name a case of a civilian and I'll look at it. -
@bungdan Binney was technically a civilian http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022977511 his treatment by the FBI was arguably thuggish, by any definition
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@asteris .. if you want to be seen as whistleblower or practicing civil disobedience you have to walk the walk, not flee to hostile states -
@bungdan that'd be expected in a country where the rule of law applies. Not the case for the US, as evident in Manning, Gitmo, Prism etc.
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