Ultimately we're not sure that "the phenomenon of consciousness" even refers to anything. But we've had this convo before :)
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Although we may be more sober now than we were the last time it came up (sorry about that)
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Replying to @ireneista @arthur_affect
This is not exactly the kind of conversation that one generally expects to have sober (although I currently am) :P
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect
Well okay but we do a really bad job of it when nonsober though :D Ironically that is usually because we have theory-of-mind fails.
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Replying to @ireneista @arthur_affect
Again, I'm pretty sure the only reason all this makes intuitive sense to me is a ketamine trip in childhood during surgery.
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l don't actually REMEMBER a ketamine trip, which is normal for surgical doses, but I started thinking of theory of mind immediately after
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect
haha, yeah. it's weird. when sufficiently tired, we have managed to observe ourselves thinking things but then immediately forgetting.
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…Only when tired?
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We observe degrees of memory issue, most are far less severe or immediate
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I've never had a serious drug trip or dissociative episode but I feel like I can still imagine the idea of separation/depersonalization
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A lot of meditative exercises are about separating the internal observer and the actor (including some weird theatre stuff)
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Yes, exactly. Dissociation is a new name for a very old thing; meditation has been about using dissociation in specific ways, from the start
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Replying to @ireneista @arthur_affect and
(cf. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.118.than.html … and draw your own conclusions, if you feel that our claim requires support)
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